Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.
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The issue isn’t whether it’s a healthy idea. The issue is that the employer is overstepping personal and professional boundaries.
Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.
I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.
Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.
Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.
The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.
I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.
I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.
What if you got a bonus for taking an external training? Still no? This seems like a weirdly hard line to draw fo a bonus
Training in a job related field is actually related to job performance.
But it’s not really about the bonus. It’s about the boundaries. I see no problem with setting hard boundaries between personal life and work life.
The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.
Just because it’s good for the company does not mean it’s not overstepping boundaries.
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SJWs
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Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for
I haven’t said anything about disabilities.
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I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Oh, grow up.
Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.
But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?
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First, disabled people exist.
Second, the article makes it clear walking only counts for 30% credit.
Third, if you are not doing it, starting can be very difficult.
Fourth, the top bonus requires 62 miles per month.
Last, why should there be a bonus based on something unrelated to your work?
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking. If you can’t do that then quite honestly you’re not in any sort of good shape.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day. If you’re not walking at least a mile a day you are doing your body a massive disservice
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking.
Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking
My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day.
Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.
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‘Prevents you from moving’
Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.
If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.
You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.
You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.
And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.
Jfc calling us slobs. Go fuck yourself.
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- Lmao NO. Disabled people work. We have this whole law about it and everything in the United States where employers have to provide reasonable accommodations and allow you time off work without compromising your job status.
I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.
We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.
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If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability.
Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.
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Clearly. I said likely, not “all”. Likely assumes situations in which that is not true which in this case is the exact thing you said. Thank you for reiterating.
You still have it wrong. You can’t just show up and easily get disability benefits. And that statement still reinforces the lie that the disabled are lazy, when the disabled want to work. And that is only people that meet the definition of disabled. There are surely more people with physical limitations that don’t otherwise qualify as “disabled”.
No where do they talk about this.
They specifically say walking only gets 1:0.3 credit. How can you assume that is unpoliced when it is a specific policy? The logical assumption is that is IS policed since they took the time to give lesser credit to walking.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not a cop out. Exceptions can and need to be made.
And they have no exceptions. That is the point.
So let’s just prevent all people in society from healthy activities because it discriminates. Let’s drag all of society down to the same playing field for fairness. Solid reasoning. You know what’s easier reasoning to reconcile. Exceptions to the rule.
What a straw man. No one is preventing people from healthy activities.
And research has proven walking those 20 minutes is a very beneficial for your health
Unless the company is going to allow me to run in company time or pay me my base pay plus overtime on top of the bonus that’s a hard fuck no from me.
Company wants my time, they better damn well pay for it.
ETA. Thinking about it more, nah this whole running for your bonus is bullshit and I wouldn’t do it even if they paid me overtime since running/exercising unless your job is directly related to it, running has nothing to do with work performance which the bonus is based on.
But they are paying you for it. Not for your time specifically but for your distance. Idk if you read the article but highest tier is 130% of your base salary.
No they are not. A bonus is for your performance at work and when I run it’s on my own damn time.
IDGAF how much of a bonus it is, 30% is all fine and dandy but again, if they aren’t letting employees run on company time or paying employees for the time while they run during their off hours, then it’s still a fuck no from me and it’s complete bullshit to base a performance based bonus on you doing shit on your off time.
But hey, if you like having your company keeping tabs on how much you run vs how well you actually do at work for your bonus, I guess good for you, just not my cup of tea.
What if you get this bonus on top of your normal bonus? Would you walk then?
Again, no because a bonus is based on your performance at work, how you coworkers performed, how you all performed together at work and unless your work was directly related to you and your team running and even then you’d be running on company time.
A person running has fuck all to do with performance at work and thinking about it more especially more with the various people I have and do work with, I find myself thinking how this really is an assinine idea that is not only a overstep into community script territory but also could be a very shitty thing for employee morale.
This screams I’m overweight.
I’m not overweight but fucking hate running.
I’ll never understand why anyone enjoys running. I absolutely hate it and feel terrible after running. I ran every day for 22 years (former military) and hated every single day.
I prefer rowing, that is actually fun.
Rowing is great! I hate exercise but once I got my rowing machine, I finally enjoyed it!
Rowing is awesome!
I personally love running because it’s a time where I can just let my mind wander, reflect, or just have it go blank.
Plus it also helps when your half marathon path ended at the brewery where you have a tab.
There are other physical activities that people enjoy that do the same exact thing. Another person mentioned rowing, but riding a bicycle is also similar. The point is, not everyone likes running, even if they do like letting their mind wander.
This screams I hate exercise and I’m overweight.
This screams I’m a pedantic little cuntnugget.
I’m sorry, the last two comments were immature and not representative of who I am. Don’t know what came over me, but it’s not the way to behave or act online or in person.
You don’t have to accept this apology but know I strive to be better than what this comment chain shows.
Again sorry.
Why are you so angry in every comment?
This screams I’m a complete moron that can’t understand or have a intellectual discussion over a topic so I’ll just do a dumbass ad hominem attack.
I run anyway, may as well get paid for it
I mean me too, but not for money
DoD employees get paid to workout during the workday at least. It’s nice.
In theory.
In practice, it has to be approved by your supervisor and is only for times when it won’t interfere with progress on actual work.
So all they’ve gotta do is give you a lot of work to do…or just say no…and you don’t get that anymore.
It’s never been an issue for us. People go before they come in or at the end of the day. We’re at a Air Force base so if be different at other installations.
Ok, so as a former Navy guy I have to ask, does golf count as “exercise” in the Air Force?
No because it’s assumed you’ll use the golfcart. Spinning in chairs counts if you do it long enough to work up a sweat.
I mean, that kind of makes sense. “Maintain battle readyness” and all that. I would expect everyone in the military, law enforcement, or emergency response should be paid also.
Firefighter isn’t going to carry someone down a flight of stairs if they have that “Body By Dunkin’”
Thus why I did it, just didn’t like running.
Yeah I wouldn’t even want to play video games if my bonus was contingent on it. Way to suck the joy out of something positive, corpos
I would add: And bonuses are a BS excuse to overwork employees and making them work overtime for free. Having to go above and beyond simply to earn the end of year bonus caused me huge amounts of stress, anxiety, depression, and even affected my physical health.
You know how I solved that problem? By quitting and moving to a better company.
I mean being active anyway is a good thing for you And if the bonus is 30% of your monthly salary each month to do a bare minimum of movement that sounds like easy money
So just don’t take the bonus, then? Easy enough. Bonuses aren’t part of your normal wages. They’re given, not owed, not unless you do whatever they say you have to in order to earn them. So if you don’t feel like doing whatever it is that your company demands in order to receive the bonus, then just don’t do it and don’t get the money.
You should probably run miles each month anyway so maybe you won’t die in your sixties from heart disease.
"Oh hey, thanks to you and your team for working all that overtime these past few months to make sure the project was done on-time and turning this potential loss of a client around.
However, we noticed that you and your team didn’t run enough during these months so we’re going to have to dock your bonus for the year but thanks for all of your hard work for the company."
But yeah, just don’t take the bonus.
Yeah, what’s wrong with you and your stupid wheelchair? If you want a bonus, you should get up out of that wheelchair and start running on your stumps!
Wait, is your argument here that people in wheelchairs are incapable of exercising? That’s pretty ableist, dude.
I’m pretty sure they’re incapable of running. You know, the thing they give bonuses for?
If it’s on company time, it’s fine.
My work is somehow promoting sport over lunch break (well there is always an Ass hole setting a meeting at 13) but it’s lunch break, not work time. However, during that time we build connections with other employees, talk about work, so basically free cross department team building for the company
I don’t think hungry employees will tolerate that for long. Or maybe it’s a way for higher ups to get rid of “possible nuisances”
So disabled employees get no bonuses?
They probably don’t even get the job. Probably along anyone with bad knees, flat feet, obesity, or other conditions
lol obesity is a condition now.
Isn’t it? What would you describe it as?
Being fat is a life choice, not a disease you catch or develop.
If you want your bonus, don’t be fat. Seems like pretty good incentive to me.
That’s why we call it a condition though, not a disease. People have a right to make mistakes, right? We can call the consequences of mistakes, conditions. Lung cancer from smoking, a broken arm from mountainbiking, tennis arm from leisure activities. Life choices can lead to conditions, regardless of their perceived healtiness.
Obesity itself is probably too vague and non specific to be usefully called a disease. The basic measurement for obesity, BMI, would classify bodybuilders or strengthen based athletes as obese. Bodybuilders and strong people can often be unhealthy, but it’s not quite the same as someone with high body fat.
Even then, people who are obese because of high body fat might have their lives shortened through multiple mechanisms. It could be heart disease that kills them, skeletal problems due to weight, immune issues, digestive issues, practically every organ can be affected. Any or all of these things could occur in a chronically obese person, so even if pathologized, obesity is less useful as a diagnosis.
Excess weight is bad, but you can calculate weight/height without a doctor. Focusing on better nutrition, eating habits, and exercise is the solution, even if you’re young and have a high metabolism. That sugar in our food needs to be taxed or regulated, as economic incentives drive obesity rather than people being uniquely stupid or culturally degenerate.
You realize how hard it is to not gain weight in today’s society? Unless you get a good dietitian, it’s hard AF not to get fatter everyday, especially when the media brainwashes everyone into thinking it’s fats and not sugars where the problem lies. And don’t get me started into how HFCS is added to practically EVERYTHING, or how the food pyramid itself is BS and not recommended by health professionals nowadays.
It takes a Tibetan monk with steel willforce and a team of doctors not to consume soda or the occasional snack, and to buy the appropriate food consumption choices to avoid adding to your body weight.
And I’m not even counting heart conditions, workplace limitations, life obligations, the increasing unavailability of healthy foods for the working class, the asinine healthcare design, the toxic conditions of tap water (cough Flint water crisis cough), the pretty much nonexistent health programs in schools, and the utterly lethal suburban design which forces people to spend at least an hour a day behind the wheel to do their daily tasks, and, you know, fucking poverty fucking everywhere.
Personal responsibility is just victim blaming by any other name. Prople who are eager to dismiss obesity as a willforce problem seriously need to touch some grass.
A good dietician will limit your fat intake, because that is where most of the calories come from and where cholesterol is. Sugar is also problematic but only in refined form, and in fat people. The theory being that it’s fat that limits the response to sugars, I’m oversimplifying but this theory is at the heart of the sugar/fat debate. Dieticians aren’t debating this, mostly health gurus and doctors online are. The research into health versus diet is very clear and very much understood. Less processed food, more whole foods, less animal products, more plants. (fruit, grains, legumes, vegetables, nuts and seeds.)
And yes I do agree that the availability of healthy food is very limited and that understanding how or even what a healthy diet is, especially from consuming social media, is hard. The food industry is a multi billion profit industry, there are a lot of conflicting interests. But heart associations, diabetes association, association of dieticians, world health organisations, and many more are screaming from the rooftops. So it’s also not impossible to figure it out. But if you’re left to the almighty wisdom of ‘the market’ you’re fucked. Yes, it’s hard to stay healthy and skinny.
It takes a Tibetan monk with steel willforce and a team of doctors not to consume soda or the occasional snack, and to buy the appropriate food consumption choices to avoid adding to your body weight.
I guess I’m a Tibetan monk with steel will-force and a team of doctors then. These are two of the easiest things to avoid that also gain you the most weight, show some restraint. Just don’t buy these things.
Or a middle class white guy who has never had to ensure poverty.
Stop eating.
No one can beat the 2nd law of thermodynamics
Stop eating = lose weight and die quickly
Contniue over eating = develop long term health issues and die early.
Equilibrium exists between these two extremes.
It’s different for everyone. Find you balance, and live it. You don’t have to be a monk or I have the iron will or a frontiersman to to just think “I know I’m still hungry, but maybe I shouldn’t have a 2nd cheeseburger tonight”
OF COURSE IT’S DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. That’s my fucking point.
My issue is with ignorant people who judge everyone based on oversimplified premises.
Sugary snacks mess up your metabolysm. You stop burning fat. Your blood sugar gets imbalanced, you get highs and lows. And when you hit the lows, you feel exhausted and super hungry. And you have no idea what’s messing you up because no matter how much you eat, you still get hungry, so you eat much more than what you ought to because your metabolism is fucked up and your brain gets the wrong signals. You try to cut your fat, but that gets you even more hungry, so you eat more carbs (even diet carbs like oatmeals and such) which then mess your blood sugar even more.
Even if you do exercise, you still end up getting fatter. Drinking diet soda doesn’t fix it and gets you even hungrier.
And while you’re doing the impossible to cut as much fat as you can, you still get fatter, your mood gets explosive, you can’t sleep well, and then people are telling you to eat less and that you’re not putting enough effort. Meanwhile your stomach is in unbearable pain because your hunger is out of control.
Also, you know what messes up hunger? Depression. There’s just so many factors to take into account.
Anyway, you know how I finally broke that vicious circle (after I got my mental health under control)? I cut my carbs. I quit all sugary snacks (even the small ones). I quit all sodas and concentrated fruit juices. Started to consume more animal fat, against the “common knowledge”. Whenever I got hungry, I didn’t eat a snack. I just ate normally. Ham, a hotdog, milk, or even an egg. It wasn’t easy and I woke up at 4AM in the morning all hungry. It was hell for two weeks. But after those two weeks I got better and my system got the balance it needed.
Boom. Lost 5 lbs in one month. I stopped getting tired. I was more energetic. I got better at the job.
But it took me years, literally years to find out it was the damn snacks (which were small enough to appear harmless) and the sodas with HFCS that were the ones at fault.
All these years of failed trial and error just to find out fats were not the enemy. But suuure, it was me eating two burgers instead of one.
I was NOT eating like a fucking pig. I was NOT supersizing my meals. But sure, armchair dietitians on reddit know what’s best for me, right?
It’s ignorant people giving unscientific advice who make life a living hell for the rest of us.
“Cut the fats”. Yeah, right.
I know I’m still hungry, but maybe I shouldn’t have a 2nd cheeseburger tonight
As a fat person, I never face that decision (well ok, not never, once or twice a year around the holidays maybe). Most of the time it’s more like “should I throw away half of this meal I paid for or finish eating it?” That’s a bit harder to do, especially when you were raised to clean your plate or you’d be physically punished. Conditioning is a bitch.
It’s the obese who need to touch grass buddy. It’s not that hard to maintain a healthy weight if you put any effort at all. Literally just looking at the calories of what you’re consuming will cover it for almost everyone. If you actually exercise on top of that it’s easy mode.
Bro it’s not hard at all to stay skinny, regardless of what country you live in. All you gotta do is eat less often and work out more. It’s that simple. Count calories for week if you need to, to establish a baseline for how much you should be eating.
That, or do what I did and get a job that requires physical labor. You’ll get plenty of excersise, and you’ll be too tired at the end of the day to eat. That’s how I dropped 15 lbs in two weeks; got a warehouse job. After a 10 hour shift, all I want to do is go home and sleep.
Quit making up lame excuses. Nobody’s buying it.
Obesity is a bodily state based on inputs and outputs
Greatly, greatly, influenced by genetics. I’ve known people, hell I’ve dated people, who ate better and worked out more than I did, but were still fat af. Meanwhile I just do a little jog and basically can eat whatever I want.
I’m not going to go and pretend I’m not fat because I’ve made smart choices.
Nah. It’s more about inherenting eating habits than genes. Also it’s much easier to gain weight if you’ve been obese during your youth. Eating is also an unhealthy coping mechanism for a lot of people. Genes is probably on fifth place if not lower.
I’m a fatass now, but up until my 30s I was skinny, underweight even. I eat less (and better) now than I did then, so obviously there’s more to it.
You don’t even need to be disabled to be unable to run or do heavy exercises. There are several conditions that can make running painful or impossible, like arthritis, athrosis, hernias, respiratory problems, etc.
Tying the bonuses to how fit you are is straight up evil. I highly doubt the boss will pay for medical expenses of people that push themselves too far to get the most money, who, ironically, might effectively end up losing that extra money.
Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.
Clearly nobody will find a way to cheat that, no siree!
This area has been pretty well explored by Pokemon Go players already. On Android there’s an app called defit that has multiple options for adding fake exercise data to your Google fit account which is where Pokemon Go, and typically these insurance apps, pull their info from.
Walking is one of the fitness activities people that are not disabled can walk.
Other than the disability, privacy and disability concerns already raised- Running is SO boring. What if you prefer other cardio activity or a mix of strength training and cardio? Why does it have to be running?
The article says climbing and walking are both accepted.
It’s still a bit of a mockery to ask employees on wheelchairs to get up and walk if they want their bonuses.
What about fu-- uhh jumping?
Fu-- uhh jumping Jack is fine as well.
Running has always been where I was able to just let my mind wonder. It’s like meditating while exercising.
At one previous company where I worked I started a karate dojo, and I gave voluntarily classes. About 40% of the company regularly trained with me and we all got ripped, it was awesome
That’s a great way to do it, not tie work bonuses to it.
Some guy pushes himself too much, dies from a heart attack and they cancel the initiative
touches nose not it!
One of my previous jobs did something similar to this only without reward and public shaming as the punishment. We were all cube workers forced to do army standard tests and training after work.
that is genuine hell, my god
That’s actually not a bad idea. Their employees staying fit and healthy also helps then being more productive for the company long term. The employees themselves, also probably wouldn’t mind staying fit and healthy. Win/win.
is the insurance good enough to cover the cost of a knee and a hip for me? because that’s what i’m gonna need if they want me to take up running. at minimum.
this is not a bonus available to employees who can’t take up running, for whatever reason.
I’m guessing China has far better insurance than the US and you don’t pay nearly as much for doctors or operations there
Helps keep insurance costs down too for sure. Less claims for them to deal with
I’ve had several companies offer to partly cover the cost of a gym or exercise/weightliss/smoking cessation program. Similar idea but much better for covering health improvements for anyone. It’s also not presented as a bonus tied to job performance, but a benefit related to healthcare
Unfortunately there’s that pesky qualification “partly”. In general I haven’t been incented because I still have to pay too much and the inconvenience of the paperwork just makes it … inconvenient
In principle I see it, and I did used to have this opinion when I was younger. But as I’ve got older I’ve associated getting paid with working (for some odd reason) and the last thing I want to do is work on my relaxing evening jog, and think about how much money I can make.
I would love it if an employer would let you take time off during the day to workout, though. There’s only so much you can work until a lunch break
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The amount of bonus a worker gets is based on the number of miles they complete each month.
I understand what they’re trying to do, but this is just not equitable. You’d have to figure out how to handle this for people who cannot run (such as wheelchair users). This greatly favours those with more free time and less obligations (such as people with no kids). It favours those already in shape and those who have fewer health issues.
This will favour those who already have it better off, which is the opposite of equity.
Good idea in theory, but I don’t like the model where it’s applied based on output.
What is the good part in theory? I can’t see how what/how much exercise, if a person chooses/is able to do it at all, is relevant to their job? Especially in a company that makes paper??
If employers want their employees to be happier and healthier they need to pay them better (for their work, not for whatever unrelated and out of hours activity they decide to “reward”) and give them more time off, anything else is profit seeking bullshit.
Yeah good point. I should have said “interesting idea in theory.” I fully agree with you
“Sorry boss, I can’t come to work today, I haven’t met my monthly miles, gotta run 🏃♂️🏃♂️”
ITT: I’m fat. I don’t wanna.
Also itt: when the employer says “run” you ask how much, you peasant, you should never question decisions of your master
ITT: I’m disabled. I’d like a bonus too, please.
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Man I would love this
