Source: https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/18/153
Apparently they’ve been accused of submitting small patches that individually don’t contain much useful code in order to inflate their contribution figures and other stuff like submitting low quality code? According to the thread on /r/Linux. I feel like I’m not getting the full story here, or even if this was a Huawei corporate decision or just a bunch of Huawei workers doing this individually. From the other non-explanation comments, I do get the suspicion that /r/Linux is pretty biased against Huawei though. I don’t really keep up with the politics of the Linux kernel so I’m not familiar with the Huawei situation, anyone know more about this?
I saw on /g/ some time ago a post calling out behavior like the accusations here. Someone was spamming the kernel with trivial fixes to fluff their CV. They also won some award or something. Kinda vague description but that’s all I can remember.
Also yeah, /r/linux harbors a lot of racist. A few idiots knee jerk reacted to the freenode drama with “china bad” with out realizing the dude who took it over is Korean descent. That subreddit has auto removal triggered on X number of user reports. So the sinophobes report spam posts related to China or Chinese people in order to get them auto removed.
I forgot what post what the last post I noticed it happen on but it was disappointing enough that I took that sub off my regular browsing list.
It’s strange, actually they are one of top contributors to the kernel Guess Who Contributed the Most to Linux Kernel 5.10 Development? It’s Huawei (and Intel). Even if you take KPI metrics, it is likely that most of the companies on the list are doing somewhat KPI grabbing behavior. Why online Huawei receives this red flag?
But the email address makes me cautious, “huawei.com”. The last time we got some similar patches from the same company, doing something harmless “cleanup”.
It makes a lot of noise for me.
You’re sending the patch representing your company, by doing this you’re really just damaging the already broken reputation.
What are you talking about? What if those patches were actually made by company interns?
broken reputation? Huawei is platinum member.
I have followed the rest of the thread and it seems that the problem is that they must to collaborate in more difficult areas, which is fine. The problem I see here is that the impact of all the anti-China propaganda and campaigning is clearly visible. Note that it is the only Chinese/non-Western company on the list, one of the youngest and is at the top. The red country 🇨🇳 is not just an economic giant 😎 .
Does anybody know what Intel is focusing on? They dominate by lines-changed.
I’m not sure what the full extent is, but they certainly have to maintain their graphics drivers.
Idk but for me these fixes are welcome either being beginner or expert.
If there is a problem with entities “inflating” contribution, stop counting the number of commits as a representative of quantity.
They could list a summary of what the contribution added, cleaning own fixes and similar.
It is possible that KPI grabbing is happening here.
It is also the case, however, that a bunch of anti-China conspiracists exist inside open source community, solely because of their subconscious brainwashing into the notion that USA is the one responsible for the existence of libre open source culture, and important figures like RMS and Torvalds also are from USA, and Silicon Valley also being a part of this. This culture existing because of US and EU is absolutely BS to the core.
This politics also goes deep into non Western hegemonic countries being poor and having citizens unable to buy a computer and pursue computer science careers the way Western kids comfortably are able to. This stuff will change when the hegemonic balance shifts to all over the world instead of a concentrated pocket of world’s 12% citizens, currently. It will take a couple or so decades, as China’s rise by 2030 triggers a chain reaction across the world to compete with USA.
On giving it another thought, I have another perspective, which might not be too conspiratorial to consider: gatekeeping open source community from China by Western proponents to discourage their participation.
Steve Bannon as former US SoS did state the creation of a China-free clean internet. And Biden is continuing Trump’s policies against China.
Intel leads with KPI count, and yet, not one of these souls calls out Intel, but Huawei being a Chinese company, and a very young one, and also a Platinum Member of the Linux Foundation, gets scrutinised. To me, it sounds like the analogy I always provide wrt China - the one kid bullied by everyone in the class to force them to take up whatever role the common narrative wants.
This is about work culture at Huawei, not China per se. China is not Huawei and Steve Bannon certainly doesn’t have any power over the contributors mentioned in that thread. Stop these unfounded conspiracy theories and start providing proof.
Are you so ignorant of the hegemonic war between USA and China, that you purposely ignore the vile statements of Steve Bannon, Michael Pompeo, and such people who re-planted the Sinophobic seed in the heads of Americans during Trump’s 4 year tenure?
Huawei has as much relation with China, as much as Apple has with USA. Using terms like “work culture” is not making you look smart, so be careful.
If you are also ignorant of Sinophobics or anti-Asians/Africans/LGBT/socialists in the tech space among Westerners, go browse 4Chan, nanochan and other underground boards for a week. You will change your opinion quickly.
Are you so ignorant of the hegemonic war between USA and China, that you purposely ignore the vile statements […]
No, I also don’t like the stupid “trade war” politics and policies the US of A have imposed upon China. I don’t like the propaganda machine the US has going on. OTOH, you assume Qu Wenruo is brainwashed by Steve Bannon. You don’t even realise how ridiculous that sounds. If I was Wenruo reading your post, I’d ask you if you’re an idiot thinking that. This is about patches to the Linux Kernel, which you seem to know nothing about. I just realised your username and sighed because I wasted my time again.
Speaking on behalf of others metaphorically is such a pitiful stance. Go take a look at the comments today on reddit r/linux on the new RISC-V Xiangshan CPU news. 60-70% of the comments will tell you something. And it seems to be in line with the attitude towards Huawei for some random reason.
Go take a look at the comments today on reddit r/linux on the new RISC-V Xiangshan CPU news. 60-70% of the comments will tell you something. And it seems to be in line with the attitude towards Huawei for some random reason.
The LKML is not reddit and Wenruo is a long time Kernel contributor. Whataboutism gets you nowhere.
Whataboutism claims are a dog whistle of the pseudo intellectual. You may use that baseless epithet as much as you want, have a good day. I am going to sleep.
You really do have to make everything about politics
No? That is reality. China was gatekeeped away from NASA (supposedly international), recently chip making TSMC via threatening Taiwan with sanctions, and now this stuff. Gatekeeping is a thing Westerners like to do to preserve their hegemony via ruling out competition.
Well if they’re contributing good code, there’s nothing wrong with small patches. KPIs are meaningless anyway. Everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe call out individuals or take action if it really wastes time.
If it’s really only the output of checkpatch as stated on https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/linux_kernel_contributor_from_huawei/, someone should take their time and read its output to merge it all at once.
Clean code is good code…
Thanks for that article providing a bit more context.
Wenruo’s theory is that Zhen Lei submitted this inconsequential patch for Key Performance Indicator (KPI) credit – to do something that gets recognized by an employee performance measurement system as meaningful work.
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In an email to The Register, Wenruo said, “Some Chinese tech companies are really pushing too hard by assigning almost impossible KPI goals, I think that’s the root cause.”
“This pushes their employees to do things without using their common sense. And obviously toxic company culture like 996 (9am to 9pm, 6 days a week) and destructive competition.”
It’s strange, actually they are one of top contributors to the kernel Guess Who Contributed the Most to Linux Kernel 5.10 Development? It’s Huawei (and Intel). Even if you take KPI metrics, it is probable that most of the companies on the list are doing somewhat KPI grabbing behavior. Why online Huawei receives this red flag?
But the email address makes me cautious, “huawei.com”. The last time we got some similar patches from the same company, doing something harmless “cleanup”. But those “fixes” are also useless. […] It’s OK for first-time/student developers to submit such patches, and I really hope such patches would make them become a long term contributor. In fact, I started my kernel contribution exactly by doing such “cleanups”. […] But what you guys are doing is really KPI grabbing, I have already see several maintainers arguing with you on such “cleanups”, and you’re always defending yourself to try to get those patches merged.
You’re sending the patch representing your company, by doin
These parts makes a lot of noise for me
