It doesn’t matter how many people or what kind of people moved from Reddit. I was there 14 years (Digg 4.0 exile here). They have a new group of people now. My wife and kids now use Reddit, but it’s not the same type of user interaction I experienced there in the past. It’s very much a mix of scrolling through TikTok videos and sparse reading of comments on an /r/askreddit thread. It’s casual browsing and video content. There are still some holdouts, which I think mostly contribute to what’s left of the comment section, but that’s it. It sucks, because I miss the discussions there. Lemmy kind of scratches that itch, but the content is slow to come in, and the comments so few. I’m doing my part, and I am much more active here than I ever was on Reddit.
IMO the quality of discussion here is about the same on reddit. Which is to say, not very good, or very deep. It’s shallow observations, memes, and one liner gut reactions to headlines. People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts. It might have to do with social media becoming more or less defined by people engaging with it on mobile devices, which don’t really enable that sort of engagement. But it might also be people genuinely not giving a shit anymore and only wanting that minor degree of superficial interaction.
I get better responses here on Lemmy with my longer replies, which is great. Reddit feels overall dumber now where people will try and argue that your comment with sources is somehow less compelling than someone else’s sourceless opinion (true story).
I’m having far better interactions on Lemmy.
My favorite thing about Lemmy is that you can comment on an article that’s several hours old and get responses. Reddit was so big that if you didn’t comment on major articles within a couple minutes of being posted, your comment would get buried under a thousand other comments and would never be seen. Commenting became a game of which top level comment you could possibly sneak your comment as a response to, even if it wasn’t really a “response” to what the person had said, just to get your comment seen and have a chance at sparking a discussion.
Same. I’ve had mostly positive interactions with Lemmy. The content is slow to come in, but more enjoyable to read and interact with
I’ve had the same experiences actually. It’s also a lot more common (at least from what I’ve experienced) to find people being more composed here even in the face of some divisive or provocative content.
Honestly, the worst thing about Lemmy is Lemmy users thinking it’s better than Reddit simply by the virtue of it not being Reddit.
The platform? Yes, absolutely, a much better solution with built in checks and balances to stop one greedy company eating everyone’s lunch.
The content? It’s identical! (Bar a few cosplay communists that stir up drama occasionally). And some things are significantly worse like the quality of content curation and moderation.
For every person writing an “ugh you must be a Redditor”/“I thought I left this behind on Reddit” type comment,I bet there are many more people rolling their eyes and at least a few of them that end up abandoning the platform entirely.
Also let’s not forget that Reddit has duration as an advantage. I can look back 10 years on a tv show that is no longer airing and there will still be discussion threads from when it came out. That’s literally impossible to manufacture overnight, so Reddit has a huge edge.
That’s fine so long as we’re admitting it does. Reddit having a huge edge and everyone acting like it doesn’t is just setting up new users for disappointment.
For every person writing an “ugh you must be a Redditor”/“I thought I left this behind on Reddit” type comment
Oh my God right? This bull shit.
I want to like lemmy because I don’t want to support a web platform that so clearly thinks so little of its users and aims for monetization that involves literally just paying for comments you want to hear.
But this self assured that lemmy is the hottest shit stuff needs to cool off. I mean look at who started this platform and the large communities of people with super simplified garbage takes on anything with an iota of complexity and you realize that people here just want to be superior without doing anything superior. But that is a great way to be lonely forever.
People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts
I think this has two parts. One, it’s just so easy for any long/complex comment to attract ‘attacks’ that will target some small minutia. The internet in general seems to find pedantry of grammar and small inconsistencies (in an allegory, for instance, which is not supposed to be an exact match for the tale it’s telling) to be the height of humor and the best way to ‘counter’ an argument.
Second, I think people in general are more demanding of having their space be as comfortable and similar to them as possible. My friends of nearly three decades and I have plenty of things we disagree about, and even argue about, but it seems as if differences are no longer accepted. Let’s pick a common and slightly humorous one from Lemmy: if you and I were to disagree about the extent of how evil a conservative is (not even that they are evil, or do evil, or whatever else), one or the other of us would be blocking the other, haranguing the moral turpitude that is said different belief, etc.
It combines to make anything but short, bland or ‘act like they are acting’ comments a headache to actually post. I’ve found myself typing up a response to a biology article somebody had posted, and eventually just hit the cancel button because it wasn’t worth the bother.
The people that think they are being clever by ignoring the entire conversation and just responding with Strawman! or Ha! You misspelled that so you don’t know what you are talking about! offer so little to actual conversation that they don’t even realize why no one wants to talk to them. They seem like they are just repeating what they saw people before them do without awareness or understanding of why or even what their words mean.
The internet is such a microbubbled place now. Each niche divided and divided again so that everyone can have exactly what they want and nothing more or less until each of them might as well be a homunculus living as a single entity if wasn’t for the ability for someone to advertise or sell a product to that group.
I thought it is good if everyone has their own specific thing but we still need to be able to interact as a whole, and that generalized communication is a dying skill apparently. Or maybe we are just to many steps away from the original products that the internet is becoming full of Cargo Cults that just copy without reason… I dunno.
I think it has a lot to do with longer messages seeming “elitist” in addition to the tendency of trolls to find one phrase they don’t like and derail the entire topic over it. You write 3 paragraphs, most don’t read past the first sentence and vote based on that, and some troll starts nitpicking your use of “us” vs “we” instead of the actual topic. Over time you see putting the effort into a comment as pointless or outright adversarial, and you stop. It’s the trolls and the low effort people that make having quality conversations frustrating. Not trying to gatekeep, but I firmly believe that once a site becomes popular enough that all the “Lowest Common Denominators” join, quality drops. The signal to noise ratio just becomes too much. Popularity is a death sentence on the Internet.
Also there’s this legit tactic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop that sometimes is employed by the trolls themselves to basically DDoS people. Preferring shorter comments at all become a legit behavior if there’s too many comments like that. If there’s long af comment, usually I’d like to see the replies or upvotes first to defend against that.
There’s just so much content now a days it’s easier to just not comment to a reply and move on, where when I was on forums it was the main thing to do because there wouldn’t be so many posts
Yeah I’ve seen some pretty benign comments get downvoted to hell here on Lemmy if they’re even just a tiny bit out of line from the consensus which is no better than Reddit.
I think you’re right. And if anyone wants to give a deep/thoughtful comment it often feels like swimming upstream. Nuances are ignored and people will just downvote you if they think you’re disagreeing with them (even if disagreement is only partial).
Have you been on reddit recently? The average discussion on Lemmy may not be super deep, but the comment sections of larger reddit threads have become downright painful to read. It honestly feels like every negative cliché about reddit has been dialed up to eleven.
I was on reddit a couple times past couple of days for some specific purposes (like looking up Minecraft seeds). Checked the front page and stuff out of curiosity and I genuinely don’t know if the content was already as bad when I left or if Lemmy just gave me new standards or something, but Jesus Christ. It’s all just ragebait and TikTok reposts, even though everyone on reddit always claims to hate TikTok. It’s like if you collected all the lowest tier posts from every other site and then gathered them in one.
Same thing for me here, so much rage bait. I was asking a specific question on Google and a reddit post had a very good answer, curiosity sent me to r/all and it is so clearly meant to get under your skin.
That’s why I could never get into Twitter because no matter how much I tried to curate my feed, it would inevitably start pushing rage bait
It’s all “TikTok” now. I see TikTok, YT Shorts, Reddit video clips, Facebook video clips, IG video clips, etc. They are all TikTok in my head, and I don’t care enough to check them each out to differentiate between them and change my mind. This must be what getting old feels like.
They all repost to each other anyway. Some creators will just post directly to several of them, but there’s also entire content factories designed around stealing other peoples creative works and reposting them on a different platform.
It’s interesting to me. We saw a similar evolution in facebook, where it went from silly posts about your status, to image posts that people argued over, and now (as I saw when I visited my aging mother) it’s just an endless scrolling of short videos.
Ill never understand the appeal of short form video. I watch YT for episodic content ~10-20 mins or deep tutorials about some niche technical thing Im doing or interested in doing
Exactly how I felt there too. Reddit was different. It wasn’t the place where you could come and chat with strangers about things you enjoy, even the most positive subs were littered with spam and comments usually devolved into arguments.
Not saying it didn’t happen here but the vibe is for sure better. Haven’t logged into my reddit account since spez killed Sync.
I deleted my account and its contents. Though it was Apollo for me instead of Sync.
Fellow Digg exile, previous Fark, previous Slashdot, etc.
I still go back to Reddit for several niche groups that just don’t have enough users to transition - would likely disappear if people moved elsewhere (Lemmy or Discord)
Wasn’t Digg 2.0 the time of the Great Exodus? Or has my memory of these arcane events become clouded throughout the eons of enshittification?
It was v4.
Yea I remember it went to shit around 2018 or somewhere there about. I had been hoping for a viable alternative for a while. I should thank Spez in retrospect.
I mean, it’s kind of always been shit, but it was “our” shit. Now it’s a different crowd, and their “shit”. I don’t want to deal with their “shit”, so I don’t really go there anymore and treat it like Ravenholm.
Reddit very much depends on the subreddits you subscribe to.
Browsing /r/askhistorians or /r/programming isn’t really the same experience as r/memes or whatever. Not logging in to reddit makes it way worse since you only see the popular low-effort threads instead of better niche content.
Right. And to my point, newer users are doing the latter.
Lenmy is brilliant as platform and concept, but the truth is it simply can’t compare to Reddit where there are 1000x more user and 100x more comments/activity.
Maybe I am part of that new group? I’m just here for the memes. Lemmy is amusement for me and a way to kill some time. If I want to have deep or meaningful discussions I’ll talk to people I actually know (and then I’ll also know I’m not wasting my time arguing with a troll). The “casual browsing” content is also lower quality here than on Reddit, but I can’t complain, because I don’t really contribute, I just lurk.
It’s a war of attrition. Slow and steady will win this race.
Lemmy, just like Mastodon has seen spikes followed by users leaving. But every spike leaves more users on Lemmy/Mastodon than previously.
Truthfully, in the event another Reddit Exodus, which will happen, we need to try and be more of a content-oriented system during that era. Making more posts and focusing on adding to niches.
Reddit is about Niche communities and Content Saturation. Lemmy isn’t really about that, but it can be for moments at a time to pull users in. At some point we’ll reach a critical mass of users that leads to easier justification for new users to join.
We just need a group of extremely disorganized and disagreeable people to organize and and agree on this.
oh no
Reddit also gets a little bit worse every spike, too. There are few mods remaining on Reddit who are doing anything more interesting for their communities than basic spam removal. Automod does all the work when all the largest subs just repost the same content and fake stories anyway.
It’s not like going to implode or anything anytime soon but the quality (from my perspective at least) has totally flatlined since June because why would anyone in their right mind invest creative energy into cultivating a unique community? I think that eventually a Lemmy community will pop up that simply couldn’t exist on Reddit and will serve to illustrate why I believe this model is better.
There is still some new content (rocket league videos come to mind) that is hard to move to a federated platform, because video streaming is expensive.
yea probably a illegal one
LOL I was thinking something with a structure and functionality that’s impossible to have on Reddit. But you’re probably not wrong either.
Another hurdle is getting game devs to treat Lemmy instances for their games as official points of contact, which is definitely something reddit still has that Lemmy doesn’t, unfortunately.
I got questionable game jam games if you want them lol
I think Lemmy would either need to find a way to wean Redditors off of their dopamine machine or replace that dopamine machine long-term to sustain an exodus from Reddit. Either that, or Reddit will need to break their dopamine feedback loop. There are some cracks showing, and that might have already killed the platform in the long term, but it’ll keep going from pure momentum for a while. Maybe as long as months or years.
Seems like there’s more sexists and racists than I used to see over there, which is definitely offputting. I’ve found communities that are supportive of thoughtful discussion are more appealing, and Reddit definitely lacks that lately, outside of some small, relatively niche communities.
Jokes on you, I get dopamine boosts on lemmy as well.
I like your optimism but theres not a lot of great examples of the little guys winning lately. I’m not sure exactly how, but I predict things end badly for Lemmy. Just seems like a more likely outcome in today’s world. Guessing reddit does ok everyone just ends up a bit more miserable than before. Sorry for being a turd, I just think your prediction is statistically unlikely.
Except Lemmy isn’t a single Lemmy.com that will one day run out of money and implode into nothingness.
Lemmy, Mastodon, and other ActivityPub based Fediverse Networks are muliti-node systems.
This is just pure nihilism without a hint of thought put into it. Nothing short of the world exploding and human annihilation will kill Lemmy, And even then, there are bots.
Bonkers. There is a critical mass that keeps people willing to support it. I can run an original Quake server and find a few people to play with, but distrubuted multinode systems don’t mean a damn without a critical mass user base. Lemmy is far from bulletproof.
This is Apples to Oranges.
Quake is dead because modern and frequently updated options exist, even 1-1 like Xonotic.
The alternative to Lemmy is Reddit which will only continue to enshittify.
A more apt comparison is Bullentin boards.
Bulletin boards still exist in the modern era, and are in frequent use, despite their age.
I’m not suggesting this social media format will die, it’s just likely that a corporate entity will develop a lemmy alternative that becomes more popular and causes fatal atrophy or Reddit will get new leadership and Lemmy hopefuls will cross back over if content development here is slower than the collective patience. I’m pro Lemmy FYI, I just don’t understand the unbridled optimism about it’s future.
My search results keep wanting me to go to Reddit. I’m trying to avoid it, but it keeps calling.
I’m not scrolling there like I did before the “Spez killed the 3rd party app migration”. I miss the level of engagement and ease of finding communities. Lemmy is decent, but the post volume is lacking. If I scroll new now, and again 12 hours later, there’s not much new stuff before I see the stuff from last time.
I have a similar experience, only visiting reddit for stuff like tech problems and very niche communities. I had never willingly visited the reddit homepage since.
There are a lot of posts now on lemmy compared to before the reddit fiasco but is not like the activity on reddit. The good thing though is that it made me stop my habit of mindlessly scrolling through endless content.
yeah having switched to linux recently it’s pretty much impossible to go without reddit. sure, superuser and generally linux forums do have a bunch of answers, but a lot are on reddit as well.
I still find most Linux answers on SO.
It’s pretty rare that a search leads me to Reddit, though it does happen on rare occasion.
What distro(s) are you searching for that lead you to Reddit?
Curious what distro’s myself. Though makes me think that there should be a distro suggestion for new Linux here.
Too many top linux answers are gone now and i dont really find reddit very usefull for finding answers to linux problems anymore unless its a brand new problem with alot of people suddenly posting about it.
IDK, I just know I had to visit reddit quite a few times when googling linux stuff. maybe it’s because I’m still new and looking for relatively basic stuff
Naw fam, I’ve been using Linux for years and I still goto Reddit threads for problem solving. I’m not like a guru or anything but I’m not new. I’ll try other sources first but I have no problem going to Reddit second.
I dunno, I browse every 2 or so hours at work at while yeah I’ll find some of the same stuff, the vast majority of my scrolling is new
Because everyone is only half in and going to Reddit still like crack addicts
Not everyone.
If sit down at my desk and use my pc I’ll click the old Reddit bookmark and go on for about 5 minutes. That has only happened about 3 times since Apollo shut down. I almost exclusively used my phone for Reddit before that. Now I bounce between Voyager and YouTube. YouTube for background noise while I’m working, Voyager when I’m idle.
Don’t speak for me boyo, I’m 110 days clean
bros talking like we’re fighting some kind of battle my man ur browsing short form content on the internet calm down
ur not better than anyone and nobody is better than you while yall be death scrolling this brain rot
I just want non monetized media to survive in the future. not everything has to be designed to be addictive and for profit so it’s just sad that people couldn’t hold out from reddit long enough to make a difference or just plain don’t care
you care because youre a reddit addict
shit i care because im a reddit addict from rif
a lot of folks just use the app for their content and its not really that deep, its an unnoticeable change if you werent using 3rd party stuff anyways
though im not sure why people still like the app, its attrocius but then again people liked apollo and apple products for some reason and them hoes ugly asf interfaces too
Wiithout sugar coating it, lemmy sucks (for viewing content like reddit. discussion is a bit better on lemmy kinda). theres no active niche communities and the only content is about israel and linux. the porn sucks too its just pictures so lemmy isnt a very attractive place for reddit people.
Try Kagi. I’m totally hooked. It’s a refreshing search experience and you can rank reddit as a lower level site so it can still come up, but less likely to be at the top of your search list all the time.
I remember when there was a huge amount of complaints when Reddit updated and the top posts started cycling multiple times per day (or per hour) instead of hanging around most of the day
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Same, PoE reddit was my homepage basically. I deleted my account, hoped that the community would move over, but nope. Oh well, one less addiction for me. I think I might actually enjoy the game more without all the drama around it.
Yeah, reddit admins won. Most people don’t care and at this point its hard to see what the admins could do to start a real exodus. Hell, my reddit usage is way down, but I still go there for niche subjects (anime, philosophy) because nowhere else is comparable.
Are you saying anime is niche?
Or philosophy for that matter
Philosophy absolutely is Nietzsche.
Lulz
Anime has more broad appeal but the philosophical community on Lemmy seems virtually non-existent. Reddit even had graduate students/professors answering questions on r/askphilosophy. And r/askhistorians had even more success. It’s going to take a while for that to be replicated here.
AH won’t be replicated here. It isn’t large enough.
Depends, there’s so much of it that there’s bound to be niche here and there
they may have won this battle but the war is still ongoing. reddit is a public company, and it is a modern website, which means it is going to get shittier and shittier and it is never going to stop. i still go there for sports and news but anything of substance or merit i try to share here instead because fuck them. i think over time it’ll hollow itself out even more.
reddit is a public company
I don’t think they are public yet, the reason they pulled their little stunt in the first place is to prep for their IPO release. I think the general uproar probably set them back a while, but I’m sure the IPO is coming.
Oh after all this shit, did they still not do their IPO they were talking about forever? Jfc that place is a joke.
Not yet, don’t think they were expecting the revolt they ended up with. Investors aren’t going to be too excited to buy an IPO whose consumers are that upset when they try to monetize their platform.
I’m a bit surprised to hear that. I don’t visit there anymore and only get my Reddit news from the occasional Reddit bashing post here.
And from those posts, there are a lot of people saying the protests don’t do shit.
If they are still waiting on this IPO so many months later, then clearly they made a boo boo lol.
I wouldn’t say that it worked, more that it did some damage. They are still going to go public, which means it’s going to eventually be fully monetized. This just did some damage to their quarterly, which is still a win in my book.
I cant say they won all around. As a tech guy, now when i look up tech info and click on a reddit link 90% of the top answers are deleted(including all mine from the last 12 years).
Before the exidus, Reddit was already a painful hassle to use, unable to view many normal subreddits now, 80% of my screen taken up by login and cookie warnings, forcing logins, asking if you want the app multiple times. Slow, clunky, broken UI.
IF i want to give info to the Reddit people, i only post links to topics over on Lemmy.
IMO reddit won but only by engaging a new audience. It removed the 1 post per subreddit on the front page without an announcement, modified the upvote algorithm to make upvote numbers seem larger than they are, and comments per upvote are lower than 10 years ago. Basically engagement is way down for people who use it like a forum aggregate. But engagement is way up by people who are migrating off of Instagram and similar platforms. I used to feel weird about being on reddit but now I have my wife’s 20 mostly female coworkers asking me about it. Reddit has a new audience it appeals to and it’s creating a weird issue because for some dumbass reason they thought the unpaid engagement generators would stick around after they fucked everything up for a few short term dollars.
4chan’s /a/ board isn’t good anymore? ;)
/a/ was never good
Man, that’s a classic.
Lemmy will dethrone reddit once you are able to google a question and the Lemmy link is at the top as opposed to reddit
Reddit also had the ability to just type in my address bar “/r/obscurefandom” and be taken directly to the subreddit for it. Lemmy doesn’t have those smaller subs yet and you have to hunt for the right instance if it does.
Even TV shows that have been off air for a decade often have a thriving community. Merlin, the BBC show, has several posts per day. Similarly with Smallville. Lemmy’s communities are smaller and tend to be broken up across instances.
I feel like there needs to be instance aggregation for Lemmy to really work in the long run (and really this is probably true of the fediverse in general). Having to add communities across multiple instances, and not being able to browse them in a centralized way, really detracts from the experience. On Reddit, I subbed to the stuff I wanted and just lived off that feed. With Lemmy, I feel like I have to stay in unfiltered view to get anything of interest–the fragmented niche communities are just too limiting.
Yes, Lemmy is Reddit with extra steps as long as you can’t click this /c/books And see, by default, every books community , on every server at once in a single place.
The Redditors who made it here, saw this and realized the fediverse promise, was just bait.
Add in people posting the same thing across the various “same community” on all the various instances for extra silliness.
Reddit will have active subs for specific board games. The general board games magazine on Lemmy has 1 post a month.
So ya, if I want to read comments on the latest episode of Loki to see what things people picked up on that I missed Reddit is currently the only place to find that.
alternatively r/obscurefetish
I just started using lemmy today, so I definitely could be wrong. But doesn’t the website browse.feddit.de kind of do this for you already?
This illustrate the fatal flaw with Lemmy.
The fediverse is made pointless because now a community only exists on one server at a time, instead of on every server.
It is Reddit, with extra steps
Whelp, better get to asking questions… Someone ask me a question to an answer someone may want to search for
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African, or European?
Well I don’t know that
sproing
I’ll start with something wholesome:
What’s the best way to make someone smile?
Punch someone they hate.
Just punch Trump then. This will make a lot of people smile.
I’m the leftest leftist ever to left but had to downvote for such low effort
Apply your thumbs in an upward motion to the corners of their mouth. Use force if necessary
What’s Ligma?
Ligma baaawwllls lmao goddim
Oh nooooo ya gawt me😭
Why is my poop green?
Your poop is green because you consumed something with food coloring in it.
Is there anyway to control how high I want my android phone to charge? I would like to set it to 90%.
If you have root you may want to use something called ACC (Advanced Charging Controller). You can use its official app, ACCA, to install it. Very customizable.
Samsung phones have an option in the battery settings called “charge protection” and it makes your phone stop charging at 85%. Look through your battery settings to see if you have a similar option.
Not without rooting it or the manufacturer including a custom option for it, but if it has adaptive charging, you can set an alarm and it will charge the phone up to 80% and then wait to charge it the rest of the way to coincide with the alarm so that it isn’t at 100% for a long time.
I was so insulted when I realized I could never root my phone. Fuck Verizon!
Even then, Reddit has accumulated so much technical advice over the years, I hope I can still find archived posts this way, if ever it truly does crash and burn.
What’s stopping someone from just copying the reddit history and building that knowledge base as under the hood of Lemmy?
Which is never going to happen because you can’t click this /c/books
And fine an agglomeration of all /c/books on all lemmy servers Ina single location.
This cripples any network effect and any benefice of decentralization and federation
Bro, it’s so fucking frustrating that I need to be subbed to 5 different Android communities just to get my news.
I can’t sub to just one because I miss news if I do.
My only hope is that Boost brings multi-reddit support to Lemmy, so I can just click on “Android” and get the news from all 5 Android communities.
“multi Reddit” like feature do not fix the problem.
First, like on Reddit, less than 5% of users will use it as a non default feature which needs to be configured.
Second, even of those people who use the feature, they will have different sets of differently configured “multireddit”.
The end result is a fragmented audience that has no shared experience and never aglomerates to critical mass.
If you have 1725 /c/books communities, that does not make one cohesive books community. These people have nothing in common.
Practical end result, one books community on one Lemmy instance, is “the one big community” and almost every other gets 1 post per year on average, which is never seen by anyone.
For every big community, every once in a while, the moderation dictators sell out or otherwise piss off the community enough that it fragments. That works as well as the current transition from Reddit to Lemmy.
Each schism doesn’t create a new, better community, it creates a smaller, less active community at the expense of the larger one.
There needs to be a single point of agglomeration, which works by default for any community name.
And moderation needs to be something dive by every user and moderation needs to be a filter that you subscribe to.
And Linux will dethrone windows.
I wish they were true but reality is that people will accept just about any and all abuse and stay with the crap despite sometimes getting angry about it.
Since lemmy instance are hit and miss. Some popular ones are already talking about shutting down or have shut down. I highly doubt lemmy will get there.
Unfortunately it only happens in waves… It just has to be inconvenient enough for people to put in the effort to move to lemmy
I’m doing my part! insert starship troopers gif here idk im tech illiterate
I got you.
Would you like to know more?
I would like to know if that little kid was really in the movie or was added later.
I definitely recall them being in that scene, but ive seen the gif so many times that it could be retroactively editing my shit
If more subreddits moved over it might make people more willing to move over as well.
Unfortunately, the community here is worse too.
So there’s two big immediate strikes against moving from Reddit to Lemmy: your favorite niche subs aren’t here and the community is, somehow, worse.
For many people that’s enough. For most of the rest, it only takes one or two other negatives to convince them that this isn’t a reddit replacement.
Only reason I’m not back on Reddit is their garbage app. If they fixed that I’d ditch Lemmy immediately. The community really is worse here, no matter how much they want to claim it’s better.
Define worse? I generally find most interactions to be mostly pleasant.
People here will attack you for having a slightly different viewpoint than the status quo, which I can’t really even figure out. It feels like a tight knit clique, and I’m not a part of it. Often times I just don’t comment on things, because I expect to get downvotes and made fun of.
That’s been the opposite of my experience here on Lemmy and the exact thing I’m experiencing more and more on Reddit.
Likewise. I guess when you hang out on the equivalent of c/denofvipers you shouldn’t expect a terribly friendly community. Don’t like the community? Find a different one! Found your own if you have to!
From what I have seen if you explain your viewpoint people usually tell you why they disagree and you can argue with them as long as you stay respectful.
Just don’t mention any software that isn’t FOSS. Ever.
Agreed.
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Same here. The communities I’ve interacted with here, if I was on the equivalent subreddit, I’d have be downvoted to hell for not knowing enough. I find I’m able to have proper discussions here
Yeah it fucking sucks. Every response is political and hyper hostile, like damn I get it capitalism and the USA have caused some issues but man I am just asking about Taco Bell’s new menu item.
Tried posting about an obscure issue with the latest Steam Deck update and oh my god 1) I was attacked for being wrong, Valve doesn’t make mistakes ever and 2) I don’t understand how dev pipelines work (I work in IT dev for a Fortune 100 company haha)
Posted the same thing on Reddit and the response was like hey thanks for the heads up and then helped people affected by the issue get to resolution.
Lemmy as a community truly is super fucking bitter and it sucks. Hope it changes, Fediverse is a cool idea and I am so down for a Reddit replacement but not if it is gonna be an asshole factory.
I’m sorry, but your comments on the Steam Deck post certainly did not help with the hostility, as you were being quite hostile yourself.
In that post, one person made a snarky retort, and clearly you were understandably upset, but I would argue a good chunk of the hostility in that post comes from you. I think possibly even just starting the post with the title containing “basically bricked my deck” is already framing the discussion in a somewhat inflammatory manner.
This guy is very hostile up and down this thread. I wonder why he receives so much in return that he characterizes an entire platform?
Pretty normal to get hostile when someone gets hostile with you. Exact opposite reaction on the same Reddit thread, underscoring the point that OP is making.
With the rate that Musk is destroying Twitter, Spez is surely going to have another grand fuckup soon.
I honestly don’t understand the goal. It’s widely reported that X’s user numbers and revenue are way down. Elon has been greeted in public with angry chants of, “Bring back Twitter”. And the Reddit CEO has seen all of this and said. “Yeah, that’s the ticket to success.”
What can you expect from a man who has sex with busty lasagna loving cats.
The only thing that keeps me going back to Reddit is extremely niche subreddits having no mass here. Honestly if the Nuzlocke subreddit had more activity, I’d probably never open Reddit
Yeah I still use reddit for football. Bluesky is getting better(still too little content), but mastodon was just full of spam for me.
The best community for tea ☕ is on Reddit too, but it’s mainly that and Ukrainian news that I browse.
The only time I think about Reddit is when you degens bring it up. :|
True, I wish people would stop posting about Reddit and Twitter. I don’t care about those platforms.
I’m totally not on Reddit.
Cool, I got my own meme now! ^^
hmmmm…
Ditto. I also jumped ship and have not gone back. I barely even click on any of the links here to go back to old reddit
Also you are totally not spez!
Obviously
Instead of complaining about why people stay on Reddit, perhaps you should focus more on improving Lemmy communities, so that people don’t feel a need to return.
While I do like it here, it is very quiet, even when it comes to popular subjects like football, pro wrestling, anime, etc - the sort of stuff that Reddit still excels at.
That’s been my issue. Many of the subs I followed on Reddit have been “recreated” on Lemmy, but there’s essentially no one posting in them on Lemmy. Even high-effort posts, like a helpful guide, will get 1 or 2 comments compared to dozens or hundreds on Reddit. Many posts get no obvious community interaction at all.
That’s okay, we can change that! Be the person who posts and interacts with the community. :) the same thing happened on reddit once upon a time.
That doesn’t work, though. If I add posts and comments to, let’s say, a Brazilian Jiu-jitsu community on Lemmy, that’s just one more number. That isn’t going to improve.
Reddit had a huge boost from Digg, and even then, it was a different time when fewer numbers were fine, and people were more willing to engage in social media at lower numbers.
If Lemmy instances are to grow, that engagement needs to be directed. It needs popular communities to be highlighted, and once consistent interaction is there, growing communities need instance owners to direct traffic/engagement their way. That’s how subs like /r/soccer got off the ground, and it’s probably the only way it’ll happen on Lemmy.
I’ve been fighting to get my community off the ground and even though I do get a small amount of engagement no one else has made any posts and I honestly wonder if it’ll ever get anywhere. I need to come up with something more interesting to do than I have been.
Many of the subs I spent a lot of time posting on are completely dead, bar maybe a few people that contribute 90% of all posts and comments. Others simply don’t exist, and given that they were quite niche (local subs, anime subs) there’s absolutely no way that they’ll ever get noticed on Lemmy if something like pro wrestling has next to no posts/comments.
IMO, the only way this will improve is a combined effort from Lemmy instances to highlight great communities, and to drive people towards ones that are growing.
I personally have not seen very many Lemmy posts return on Google searches, if at all. It’s not apparent whether or not they are indexed at all, and I would imagine that’s a big vector for new user engagement.
What I miss are the gaming communities. There is no talk about games I play on Lemmy, just general gaming communities and I never browsed r/gaming either. Biggest let-down: PoE even has a dedicated Lemmy instance but it’s empty and abandoned.
There is just not enough demand because only a minor fraction of reddit users got hit by the 3rd-party app slaughter. The vast majority doesn’t care and still stayed on reddit. It was the expected outcome.
Hot take of the day: What doesn’t help with this is how fractured communities are throughout the instances. What I mean by this is if I subscribe to “World News” on lemmy.world, I won’t see the posts from the same type community on other instances, like “World News” on beehaw, in my subscriber feed unless I subscribe to them too (or someone crossposts). This adds an unnecessary level of micro-management and probably also drives people away from Lemmy. The biggest strength of Lemmy is so-to-speak also its biggest weakness.
Idk if that’s even a hot take. It’s something I’ve talked to several people about and honestly one of the reasons I don’t think lemmy will end up growing much past its current user base. Too much micromanaging when most people just want to see content that interests them.
Wow, is that last point true? I guess I misunderstood how federation worked big time. I thought by subscribing to something like “news”, I was supposed to receive all posts and comments to those posts from all whitelisted instances like some kind of syndication. Is that not actually how it works?
I only get the posts from communities I am directly subscribed with. So if there is something like syndication, it does not work for me.
Oh nooo
A lot of subs never really got a foothold outside of Reddit. I tried to do what I could and I’m still trying my best but I’m only one guy and I’m not good at making content. Barely anyone from the BrandoSando subs came, the incremental games community gave up before it even started, no community that I know has had a successful offshoot in the fediverse.
Reddit didn’t start that specific, the best thing to grow Lemmy is be active in broad communities, not brandosando but books. When books grows large enough then a sanderverse community can be spun off, but trying to be over specialized just dilutes the users into small inactive communities.
I think that’s a very good point.
This right here. Reddit started with very general based topics and only later did smaller niche subs take off.
Lemmy will get there. It’s just a matter of time and it’s only been a few months since the Great Reddit Migration of '23.
By this time next year, or maybe 18 months out, once instances become normalized and settled, with user tools to help find and organize them, Lemmy will then start to cause large dents in Reddit’s user base.Lol it took me way too long to realize you guys were talking about Brandon Sanderson
Actually we’re enthusiasts of both Marlon Brando and sandwiches.
yeah, the sheer breadth of obscure topics that were able to form a sizeable enough group on reddit is so fragile and special and hard to replicate. such a shame.
Never been part of that community personally, but thanks for helping to support the platform. Even if you’re not seeing much traction, it’s appreciated. What would you think of picking the most engaging Reddit content and migrate it here to help boost community size? Or maybe posting to Reddit with a watermark/credit leading to your Lemmy community?
I was a frequent visitor of the BrandoSando subs. I just haven’t found anything over here, though. Got any links? I’ll join up and try to contribute, but I’m like you. I’m not great or consistent in content creating either.
It’s on https://sffa.community. But that’s another problem. I think a lot of communities besides the main ones on here thought they’d just make a community and people would start posting. They didn’t post anything to bring people in and they didn’t know to go federate their community with other instances. The most active communities here are, !sffgaming@sffa.community, which is me, !brandonsanderson@sffa.community, !imaginarycosmere@sffa.community, and !cosmere@sffa.community .
Thank you! My biggest issue has been I just don’t know how to look for them. I’ve tried searches, but I’m still searching like I would for a subreddit.
Yeah, it can be tricky. This is probably one of the biggest issues with the fediverse.
Same with a lot of the subs I was at on Reddit. Stable Diffusion is no where near as active as Reddit’s.
I’ll be honest, I am still browsing Reddit, though in a more limited fashion. I deleted all my submissions and comments and refuse to post or comment, no matter how strong the urge to correct misinformation regarding topics I am interested in is. Communities for those topics are generally non-existent, got created and withered within a month of the 3rd-Party-Exodus, or in the case of /r/leagueoflegends and its local mirrors, are generally carried by the eSport scene and there is generally no decent discussion to be had outside of that. And I don’t even know if one of the League communities here even does post-match threads.
I noticed a massive drop of quality after the api changes (though it’s been declining for a couple years now) and after a while I just realized there is no point, so I mostly only kept subreddits related to my country. The balance of repost bots/trolls/idiots/people who think saying the same joke a million times is funny vs. people you actually can converse with really started outweighing the latter ever since covid hit and Reddit got even more popular (it was on a slow decline regardless). The api changes just made everything even worse.
I’d like to think things here will be better, and to be honest I’m really liking Lemmy so far.
The quality of reddit posts outside of niche communities or events has tanked a lot. Most of the stuff at the top is AITA(H), the most basic questions, and reposts, with some short video clips and the occasional comic. Doesn’t help that it is known that someone is using LLMs for bot accounts.
Agree on communities over here getting created during the exodis, seeing a small surge, and then kind of withering. I’m subbed to 15ish communities that aren’t even all that niche (3D printing, photography, woodworking) and it’s rare that they all get one post per day. There are obviously people lurking because posts will get comments, but I think we’re all a little wary of being the person to post a bunch of content for fear of no one else doing so.
Tbf, now that I’ve jumped over here and gotten comfortable, its nice that lemmee itself isnt abusive, but good god are the communists here fucking retarded. And I say this as someone who liked the ideals of communism. Its like how I liked the Idea of Telsas until I met Tesla owners
Edit: Lmao the most controversial part of this statement is merely one of the words I used. One of the things I appreciate about Lemmy is that it shows both the up and downvotes
Edit 2: Look at me! IM the controversy now!
To be fair, your use of the R word as a pejorative reduces your credibility as a moral compass. I do agree with your overall point though.
Lmao I know you are trying to help but this is Lemmy in a nutshell to a T hahaha. Yeah that word needs retired for sure but man, put it in a dm lol.
Public shaming is entirely appropriate in circumstances such as this.
Public shaming only works if the target is shamed ~.^
Since I have been a child the word retard has NOT been used for people with developmental disabilities, it has only ever been used to describe people who’ve done something incredibly stupid that they had the capacity not to do. In fact, I have worked with low and high functioning people with developmental disabilities, and one of the high function people actually told me to use the word when he’s being stupid, as I was using the word goof before, and that had unfortunate prison meanings that the resident didnt like.
My roommate is autistic and was in the special classes. He thinks it’s funny to be called a retard when he’s, you know, being retarded. He actively tells me not to stop doing it. Hell, he’s the one who told me it was fine to begin with, haha
Hey! It doesn’t matter if people say they are ok with it! White people are fixing the world by doing nothing but creating limitations to how we speak! Can’t you understand how that’s better?
Look at Latin-x and how it isn’t usable by anyone that actually speaks Spanish and was entirely conceived of by rich kids in universities in America! It’s just obviously better when we let others define our entire interactions with the world and immediately get upset to try to shame anyone not conforming to the point that shame isn’t even usable because no one feels it anymore.This is better this way. ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
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2023 now… doesn’t matter what it used to be.
Yes, so thats 33 years where its NOT BEEN USED TO REFER TO PEOPLE WITH DEVELOPMENTMENTAL DISABILITIES
It absolutely was used to refer to development disabilities in the US during the 80s - as well as anyone acting like they were disabled.
And probably about 23 years where it’s been frowned on to use the word as a pejorative. Don’t use your capital letters with me dipshit.
I can capitalise whatever letters I damn well please, and like I said in another reply, insults by their nature have never been appropriate, and by their very nature are frowned upon.
Yet, you’re cool with doing it… okay.
God I fucking hate “it’s current year stop doing x”
The year isn’t a fucking argument, dipshit retard
It’s generally intended to mean “pull your head out of your ass, what was once acceptable is no longer.”
Glad I was able to spell that out for you.
Your experience is not absolute. It’s still abelist and offensive.
Nah man, I’m just not down for constantly keeping up to date with the treadmill of what words are and arent appropriate… especially for insults, which have never been meant to be appropriate. I dont fucking care if your feelings are so fragile that relatively tame words can hurt you
Then that’s a more honest response than your earlier one. It’s not that you don’t understand that others may be hurt by your language even though it’s not a word you personally ever used to describe developmental disabilities, it’s just that you don’t give a shit.
Good on you for owning it (on the second try), I guess.
I dont fucking care if your feelings are so fragile that relatively tame words can hurt you
You mean like developmentally disabled people you work with who may have good reasons to be sensitive about certain words? I guess since one of those people said he was cool with it he speaks for all of them. I’m sure none of them have ever been hurt by hateful people using the R word about them.
Nah man, I’m just not down for constantly keeping up to date with the treadmill of what words are and arent appropriate… especially for insults
50+ years old and in my entire life this isn’t something I’ve found to be mentally taxing to keep up with. This is truly the flimsiest excuse I’ve ever seen for using shitty language. Just stick with “I don’t fucking care.”
Do you really not know that people can have multiple different reasons and motivations for their behaviours and actions? I’ve been honest this entire time, there are slurs I absolutely wont use because of their history and the immediate harm they cause, but retard isnt one of them, so my earlier explaination still stands. Its also true that people that get offended on others behalf annoy me and I dont care when I offend them. If I PERSONALLY offend someone for something that they PERSONALLY struggle with? I care in that scenario and I mark it down mentally to adapt to their needs and not hurt them again. You are a stranger on the internet, I dont care about you, I dont have the emotional space to. I didnt casually use the spicy word, I used it specifically as an insult towards people who I’ve been dealing with dogshit takes from. To be clear, I NEVER called any of my clients Retard, and this client I only did for them, after they requested it, and even then it made me uncomfortable because using that word to refer to someone with developmental disabilities IS gross. Nuance exists. And yes, I’m tired of the treadmill. I have Aspergers syndrome and now the treadmill is trying to tell me that not only did the DSM take that diagnosis away, I’m now not allowed to refer to my high functioning autism as Aspergers since the guy whom it was named after was a nazi, even though my autism has NEVER BEEN about that guy, and IM THE PERSON WHO HAS the diagnosis.
I don’t fucking care.
I’m just not down for constantly keeping up to date with the treadmill of what words are and arent appropriate
Then be prepared for people to rightly call you a bigot. Sorry you’re done learning, grandpa but the world keeps turning.
And the fact that you now know better and still choose to hurt ableist language just means you’re embracing your bigotry.
Calling someone a bigot based entirely on the words they use instead of the intent behind them is a great way to be wrong 80% of the time
Someone knowing using hurtful, bigoted language and claiming they didn’t “mean it like that” is asinine and disingenuous. Using deliberately incorrect terminology nearly everyone will misinterpret and then complaining when they do is placing yourself upon a cross. It’s a pathetic level of discourse usually outgrown by middle school.
No matter what it meant when you were a kid, it is still an ableist slur. Also if you aren’t neurodivergent, then please just shut up.
I fucking am and its ablist of you to assume I’m not. Get bent white knight
I deleted my Reddit account but there are some subs I greatly miss. Shame the majority of their members didn’t move over to Lemmy due to lack of care.
It’s actually pretty funny how many discussions about Reddit, Twitter, and Threads happening in the Fediverse.
I just deleted my Reddit account a few months ago (and my Twitter account years ago) and I don’t think I miss anything.
