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I don’t know about you but I was just waiting for an excuse. I ain’t ever going back. It’s a brave new world for me, part of shifting my whole suite to FOSS. Leaving the old internet behind me.
In 2022 I was Windows + Twitter + Reddit. In 2023 I’m full-time Linux + Mastodon + Lemmy.
I’ve rid myself of reddit (never used Twitter thank God) but I’m still on windows. I just got a steam deck though and I’m loving the Linux desktop mode. What branch of Linux does the deck use? I know I could do a quick Google to find out but damn I love how well it runs. Linux isn’t nearly as scary as I thought
I’ll disagree with Taiyang about Manjaro; I think it diverges too much form Arch and much prefer EndeavourOS (which is what I’m using at the moment).
With that said, I wouldn’t recommend anything Arch-based for a first timer. Quick sidebar: in Linux the “distribution” (the OS, basically - the variant of Linux) is separate from the desktop environment (the GUI). SteamOS uses the KDE desktop. If you like that, I think I’d recommend Kubuntu as a good Linux distro to start with. It’s Ubuntu with KDE instead of the default Ubuntu desktop, so there’s a ton of documentation and pretty much every app will work on it.
!linux@lemmy.ml is very active and a great place to ask questions and/or read up, or feel free to DM me!
I personally wouldn’t push anyone away from Arch towards Ubuntu. Ubuntu broke with every major update and you always are running older “stable” versions of software unless you add a bunch of PPAs that are disabled on major updates and left to the user to sort out. And I’m not even going to get into the joy of Snaps. =(
IMHO something like EndeavorOS or CachyOS would far and away be both more stable, and a better noob experience. Or if you’re just gaming, install SteamOS, because if you haven’t broken it on your deck you probably wouldn’t be breaking on your desktop either.
I love EOS, but it would be a lot to take in at once for someone new to Linux - learning KDE, the terminal, plus everything else (flatpaks, the AUR, and so on) is a lot. At least Kubuntu still has the familiar (to them) KDE but has a GUI app store and never needs to use the terminal. It depends how generally tech-savvy the person is I guess.
That is why I see Ubuntu as a non-starter unless you are prepared to deal with it’s crippled usage by default, because adding anything is a surefire way to have it implode on version upgrade. Meanwhile, on a rolling release, baring things that break for most everyone, you just upgrade when convenient and go about your day. I just don’t see Ubuntu as anything that should be suggested to anyone w/out command line knowledge and strong Google-fu, because it’s not if - but when will your system implode with Ubuntu.
Like taiyang said, SteamOS is based on Arch which is super not newbie friendly, but the desktop modes “desktop environment” is KDE which available on pretty much any Linux distro, including beginner friendly ones like (K)Ubuntu and Fedora (although I’m not sure how beginner friendly Fedora is, regarding proprietary drivers and codecs)
Steam deck runs SteamOS, a custom distro built by steam specifically. You can download it here
It is SteamOS based on Gentoo.
Steamos 3 (the steam deck) is based on arch. They moved off of gentoo
Oh, you’re like me! I did the dive into Linux, SteamOS is a fork of Arch Linux which is super not newbie friendly.
Manjaro is a good Arch Linux fork that works well for gamers, though. Still not idiot proof, as I can atest to breaking it several times, but that’s the deal when you remove the training wheels off your OS.
Lucky it’s easy to reinstall from a USB. A little less if you insist on a duel boot like me, but that’s mostly Windows being a jerk.
Try manjaro, and hear me out here:
Manjaro is actually the only distro that I would recommend to a beginner, actual beginner in this case is someone that should not be running a single terminal command to get their system to work (which is what people are expecting to do when they tell you to use Endevour or CachyOS lol)
WIth ubuntu/debian based distros you will either have to deal with installing flatpaks/snaps, which come with their own set of issues like not following the system theme, using the wrong system font, issues accesing the internet, issues accesing the home directory (yeah steam flatpak can’t be placed in the home directory lol).
You could try adding PPAs which is not something I would recommend a beginner to do.
Also some games like BeamNG hate having irqbalance, which usually comes by default on debian based distros.
On the other hand Manjaro already ships with pamac which is their GUI store that supports everything, including Aur packages which means 0 issues having to deal with broken permissions or theming if you want to install apps that are usually not found in the official repos.
Their own official repo even includes brave-browser and fastfetch, two apps that I use that are usually very hard to find in other distros.
AUR isnt widely recommended in manjaro
As long as you only keep the Manjaro repos in your system, it is like using it on Arch, which even you Arch the Aur isn’t perfect.
Because the Manjaro repos don’t sync at the same time with the Arch repos, you might not be able to install/update some Aur packages as the version of X dependency might not match during that time.
But literary, Manjaro has been the most stable distro I’ve run, even more stable than Arch that recently broke on my system and required manual intervention because of their recent changes on their repo migration.
Nice change you made!!
Linux is a hell of a drug
welcome home
Same
Same, I’m done with them. Also, yesterday I went to a site and it was hugged to death by Lemmy. I have 3 accounts and only use one now, I’m pretty sure that’s included in a lot of those numbers. When I first got here, I tried different instances, I just lurk at the others. Active users isn’t a good metric to me, it would be active and lurking because we can tell by the comparison.
Same, I didn’t know which server suited me so I created three accounts on various Lemmy servers and also one on kbin, but now I’m exclusively using just this account.
FOSS
Same. I adopted a google account a long time ago, but I’ve finally hit my limit on what they’ve been doing with youtube and everything. Free and open source alternatives are the way to go, it may take a while to catch on or may never fully, but who cares. Switching to linux recently was the best thing I’ve ever done.
I wasn’t really looking for a replacement, just wanted to break my reddit addiction which was hampering my productivity. Lemmy isn’t a replacement in the sense, but a nice change and something new to try.
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What this shows us is that more people are joining lemmy, but even more people are either leaving or going into lurker mode, as Lemmy only counts people who have commented or posted in that time period as active users, whereas most social media counts any activity while logged in as active. You have to realize that people who use reddit as Google search results don’t usually interact with the content there and most won’t even make an account.
On the upside, with fewer people, it’s easy to get noticed here just by contributing good content since you don’t really get drowned out here because of the democratic upvote based sorting instead of black box personalized recommendation algorithms. So with relatively low amount of effort, you can make sure your content is being seen instead of relying on analytics and metrics.
The last thing to in mind that Lemmy is only one aspect of ActivityPub, and Mastodon’s growth is currently the highest right now because of the ecosystem created by the whale fall of Twitter, which indirectly grows Lemmy as Mastodon users can post directly to federated Lemmy communities.
I just got recommended this site after posting on reddit re: predatory algos and the necessary regulations needed to protect people and how algos have manipulated the UX so much its disrupted the originally intended purposes; ie insta has effectively become a marketing and advertising platform.
So in response someone suggested finding alternatives to the popular social media sites and used Lemmy as an example.
I have been loving it thus far - its old school reddit.
this is my first comment on lemmy!
Welcome! So far, in my experience, this is a much friendlier community that… many of the alternatives.
Do votes count as activity as well? Or just posts and comments?
It really should.
Strong agree
I can see the arguments for both, to be honest. Ideally I’d like to be able to see statistics for both. Active Users and Active Contributors?
You can already see how many posts and comments users make. Isn’t that the same?
Well, as mentioned that is also covered by the Monthly Active Users metric that already is available. But in addition to that, I think it would be interesting to see the number of users who read and vote but don’t post or comment. Even though posting and commenting is the biggest part, actively voting is still an important part of the ecosystem.
I changed the algorithms in programming.dev to take into account voters in the activity. Since stats are all calculated locally you can view any community from programming.dev to get the monthly active users including that change
e.g. https://programming.dev/c/technology@lemmy.world shows 27.8k users/month on p.d which is almost as much as the value here for all of lemmy excluding voters
That’s crazy! User/month goes from only 7.5k active to 27.8k. And that’s just people voting. What about people who only read a post?
Dont have access to those stats in the database so adding on voting is the best I can do
Theres a post read table but its only people who have explicitly marked something as read and is way less than the post likes
Do posts get marked as read when you read the comments? There’s the x new comments feature, so something must be storing that timestamp.
I dug through the code and turns out the post read table does store when its read (with number of comments when it was read stored in a person post aggregates table), it just only stores it for people from your instance so I cant get accurate numbers from all of lemmy (and why it seemed like there was a low amount)
Agreed. Lurkers are what keep these sites alive.
Votes unfortunately don’t count
There seemed to be an influx of reddit users but probably didn’t like Lemmy’s own distinct user base (*nix users for example)
I am kind of glad it settled down because I much prefer Lemmy over reddit
thanks margot robbie
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Diane Diane what now??
halfyear includes people trying out different instances; monthly shows just the one(s) they settled on
For anyone panicking, this is exactly like what happened with the transition from ICQ to AOL messenger, from MySpace to Facebook, from 9gag/etc to Reddit, and so on.
Website makes a mistake, some people leave. Makes another, more leave. Each time this happens, more ‘main’ people of said website leave. Hell, I already saw PoppinKREAM here, so that’s a great start.
So this is exactly how it always goes. The fact it is still here means it’s staying. Look at Threads, or Metaverse, whatever those things are. All dying or dead, barely lasted. Lemmy is still here, people are still posting, so just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s already working.
It’s like a ratcheting effect. Every time schmeddit fucks up, we gain a few more. And if you can count on Spez for one thing, it’s that he’ll reliably fuck up on the regular.
Think it really was PoppinKREAM?! Love to read them again.
Them and Portarossa
Who the fuck are these people?
Not sure about the other but PoppinKREAM became known on Reddit during the Mueller probe for very long, very well researched and cited comments mostly related to politics. Their citation style in particular meant their comments got tons of Reddit awards and were highly visible.
PoppinKREAM and Portarossa are two extremely through researchers into politics, mostly US politics, and how we even got here.
Oh I was planning to check for Portarossa, one of the few usernames I recognize
On mastodon or Lemmy?
Lemmy for me, I never used Twitter, so I don’t use Mastodon either
If it wasn’t, it was a damn good imitator.
This is why Mastodon is so populated compared to lemmy. Elon just keeps making more and more mistakes.
Aw man. ICQ. I miss those times.
So much happiness in this little sound.
Not clicking that. The sound is the thing I miss the least. It was enough to hear it in my head when I saw the comment.
I still have my UIN 8833052 :)
Mine was 6 digits. Good ole days of synchronous whiteboards. 🥲
You must have gotten one in the first week. I got mine in the rist month
Man, those days were awesome. You’d browse the list of online people to find someone to talk to. A lot of the times there’d be no communication possible, but sometimes you’d get to know a little bit about the life of someone in a radically different culture. What a time to be alive.
Sure, you miss it now.
I don’t care that the fediverse has a ton of traffic. It may not have the most users, but it definitely has the best
*tips hat
Lem’my
Very true. I’m still amazed how good lemmy is considering how small we still are.
100% agree. Have encountered a few jerkwads on Lemmy but hey, blocking works. The overall vibe here is 100x better than schmeddit.
Quick question regards blocking - how does it work exactly?
When I block someone, I can still see their message. Just won’t get a notification. I thought, it would be blocked entirely - so I’m a bit confused.
Might depend on the instance or client. I’m using Liftoff. They cease to exist for me.
Whean a blocked user replies to my message I get no notification and might just see “1 more reply” or something like that but when I click it it wont load. Only when I sign out can I read it. However I believe that the blocked users can still see my messages just fine. Same with bans. I can see all posts from lemmy.ml but they can’t see mine.
I much much prefer the niche community here. Much less shit to have to wade through (see: came here to say this x 100000 per post) to get to the good comments and posts
Lemmy doesn’t have boosting. …I should check out KBin sometime, also because of the better Mastodon integration
I’d highly recommend it. The dev has been on an #improvement rampage lately. The future of the project seems bright.
tries to resist urge, fails
Came here to say this!
Exactly. I don’t need the most users. The internet was better back when it wasn’t everybody.
People complaining about a loss of users are the same people that will complain about performance issues next time there is a huge influx of users that stresses the infrastructure for popular instances.
I’m way less mad about Kbin having issues than I ever was at Reddit
11 million comments this month. 11 million comments from people smart enough to leave behind the other. 11 million comments, likely largely from actual humans.
Lemmy is thriving.
Plot twist: It’s all piped.video bot.
lol ive never clicked a piped link even once
I did, once. It didn’t work.
Yepp, that user was my first and only block ever. Yes, we get it. YT bad, Piped good. It was so annoying.
I didn’t completely leave behind reddit. I still view, but I only comment/post on lemmy.
I’m similar, but I occasionally crosspost Lemmy posts to Reddit to try and drive more traffic here :)
Most of us do :)
All the people returning and forgetting what reddit did and will continue to do. Then the next time reddit messes up, they will come back. 😔
Edit: other stats seem pretty good though! Unless i am misunderstanding them.
I can’t wait until the next time reddit fucks up.
I’m sure it won’t be long.
My money’s on them killing off old Reddit next.
That would be juicy. That would drive a lot of people away.
As long as they need more money for shareholders you can count on it.
The blue one doesn’t reset count every mount so it’s cululative. It means people come and go. There was a big Reddit rush and some people went back others got annoyed with the growing pains and went elsewhere. But the fact that it’s slowing down means it’s stabilizing to a dedicated community.
I would prefer to use Lemmy, but it simply doesn’t have some things that reddit currently has. It could in the future, but it doesn’t have the user base yet.
The half year probably still includes all the Reddit refugees, maybe that’s why it hadn’t fallen yet
This graph is much more reassuring:
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
We are stable, even slightly growing in the last few days.
It’s really painful that these graphs don’t start at zero. Hard to see if that growth is as dynamic as it looks
What the heck happened on Nov. 3rd?
New Reddit UI for some users I think
The average comments is far more interesting. Constant growth. Active accounts is skewed by all the alts new people make.
Good point, but I feel like alts haven’t been used that much lately as instances have been stables for weeks now
FWIW Lemmy has fully replaced Reddit as my go-to toilet reading material, and I’m sure there are many other lurkers around here who don’t post much and thus don’t show up in these stats. The more niche communities are still lacking in content, yes, but these things are best left to grow organically over a long period of time to maintain quality. It was the same on Reddit too before the enshittification escalated.
I dont get the hysteria, personally.
I came here to escape the crowds, not migrate with them.
Once a site gets too popular it gets normified and it just becomes nothing but reposts, in-jokes and low effort crap.
Reddit’s appeal was never in the popular subs, but in the long tail. Forget about the dozen subreddits with million+ subscribers, what made it interesting is the thousands of subs with a few hundred active users.
You also have to realize that Reddit would squash popular communities that weren’t as advertiser friendly. Which led to the larger (bad) communities.
What hysteria?
For whatever anecdotal observations are worth, I’ve recently been seeing a huge uptick in activity from the userbase that is here. Maybe it’s been driven by posts like this one or memes about growing Lemmy, but people seem to be posting and commenting more than usual.
If lemmy has 100 users I’m one of them
If lemmy has 1 user it’s me
If lemmy has no users I’m dead
I don’t know about huge but the data on the same page supports the observation on post quantity. It’s still steadily increasing.
Comments might be currently on a stable trend.
It’s also a common finding from those comparing replies to the same posts on Twitter and mastodon: fewer but better replies on mastodon.
I’ve been trying to post as much as I find it possible and engaging.
It’s anecdotal. It’s not worth anything.
so there was a wave of sign ups with the Reddit drama, and then people got bored. the graph looks about right to me.
Uh-huh
Still, Lemmy probably ended up with more people than before. Also, hey, I came from Reddit drama
Yep. Makes sense
Growth always comes in waves and then settles. I spent nearly a decade on reddit until they killed my app. Reddit took over a decade to become really big. I’m not really that worried for lemmy that much, especially since we now have a framework for something other than reddit. Even if reddit goes into nosedive mode, it won’t be the end of forums as we know it.
BAD GRAPH, Y-AXIS STARTS AT 20K
Yeah, the Y-axis really needs at least a break.
What would starting at zero add besides another row that is unused?
The ability to eyeball how many times less users there are
Now that I’ve goten addicted to the block feature, I’m probably never going back to reddit. Dont like the content from specific servers while I’m browsing the top pages? Block, they stop existsing. Find myself getting baited into low effort arguements? Block and move on. I feel faaaarrr less stressed out lately
I feel the same way, my block list is massive. The app I use to browse, the lemmy version of Boost, also has a word filter option too, which isn’t on the desktop browser interface (I don’t think), so I can block names of certain people and current event incidents I’m not interested in seeing any more, without needing to block communities or users. It only works when the post actually has the words in the title, so ironic memes slip through all the time, but its better than nothing.
Oohh, that sounds pretty good! I’m a bit of an old man when it comes to apps though and try to avoid them unless absolutely necessary, that might tempt me into looking into some of the lemmy apps though!
If reddit taught me anything, it’s that a growing network isn’t necessarily a good thing.
Infinite growth ruins everything. A smaller community is better.
A dying one is generally worse though.
Zoomed out graph including some months before the join wave
Users/month are relatively stable now at 33x users/month compared to pre join wave (users/month is people who have posted or commented)
