Have seen a few posts popping up recently just straight up calling fo violence barely disguised as memes

Had thought Lemmy had chilled out a bit on that kinda thing for a while but seems to be coming back now

Anyone else noticing the same or just me?

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    16 days ago

    I say it’s getting less radical when 20 years ago a country got invaded, a million killed, based on nothing but lies and no one bat an eye on any forum.

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    Its not really just Lemmy tho. Its everywhere.

    People are just mad these days and that event in NYC ignited their anger they always had.

    I think most people are more like saying “LOL” at what happened rather than “Lets kill [insert person name here]”. I mean, nobody really asked for it, nobody gave the pepetrator the “okay” to do it, the person just did it. People aren’t sympathetic because the dead person wasn’t such a nice person.

    Remember how people celebrated Bin Laden’s death, this is like that. Different nationality, same killer mindset that they had in common.

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      how people celebrated Bin Laden’s death

      Ouch, some deep introspection is required if you get to a point in life where you, being an insurance CEO and being killed lead to the same kind of mob reactions as Bin Laden’s death.

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      I think most people are more like saying “LOL” at what happened rather than “Lets kill [insert person name here]”.

      I’ve definitely seen quite a few memes that were like “Here are the names and faces of a few other health insurance CEOs. No particular reason ;)”. But yeah it’s probably not most.

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        Count me in the second category. I’ve got a mental list of people I’d love to see offed in similar fashion. I’d do it myself but I have to care for my mother.

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          I can understand you emotions, even if I can’t directly relate (living in a country with universal healthcare). But I do think it’s a slippery slope. Those kind of “kill the oppressors” movements may hit the “right people” at first, but also have a tendency of going wildly out of control. (Khmer Rouge etc)

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            Did you really blame a movement that basically existed for twenty years after relevance through US (and Chinese, interestingly enough) machinations and support, and was actually ousted by the communist Vietnamese, on a ‘kill the oppressors’ view?

            Jesus, capitalists will say and do everything to blame the consequences of their actions on everyone else.

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              IMO. You have no clue what you’re talking about. You’re just parroting any anti-capitalist rhetoric and feeling superior about it. This is based on the fact that you enjoy calling and insinuating people are stupid

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                Who supported the Khmer Rouge?

                Who ended up fighting and ending the genocide?

                Who denied a genocide happened until the 80’s, and continued funding the Khmer Rouge until the late 90’s?

                These are all simple questions with simple, factual answers. You just don’t like the picture the answers paint, and want to justify the intentional outcome of Kissinger’s designs and blame the outcome on the victims.

                It sickens me to see people like the person I was replying to and yourself try and blame the people who were genocided for their genocide and to blame it on a economic ideology that had very little to do with the outcome.

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                  Haha. You’re the one who mentioned said economic ideology. You are just stirring yourself up for the sake of being stirred up. So now I think you just see enemies wherever you go, and really, that is your personal problem.

                  And if you’re feeling sickened, try some pepto

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            Yeah, I mean, look what happened in the late 1700’s. A bunch of people in the new world did a kind of “kill the oppressors” movement, and then they had to start a whole new country with a new set of ideas - what a pain. Then people in France caught wind of it and decided to start the movement there, too! It was a whole mess for the bourgeoise of the time.

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            Yeah, don’t care. You have no idea what it’s like to live here and how many people are ready to take matters into their own hands. Our government and justice system are a sham. We’ve had decades to do things the right way and we’ve been blocked from all matters of doing things peacefully. Violence it is.

            These people killed my father and rendered my mother and I homeless for a short stint. I’ve had a lifetime of trauma dealing with these ghouls. I’d kill them myself if I didn’t have a responsibility to take care of my mom. I’ve wanted to do what the assassin did for the last 13 years. You let these companies deny your family healthcare and watch your loved ones rot and see if you want to take the high road. I and millions more are out for blood.

            This was the first shot of many to come. Fuck the elite.

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              Just be careful you don’t get in the crossfire yourself once the people’s bloodlust takes over and who the elite is shifts. In some cases, wearing glasses was enough.

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            Don’t doubt it. I have skin in the game, it’s time these CEOs feel our wrath. They left my father to die a horrible death. I want revenge. There’s millions of me.

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              Agreed, but to say you will murder and actually murdering are two separate things

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                After my mother is no longer on this earth, don’t doubt me. I’ve had years of rage pent up in me over this. It’s justified. I’d only take out someone like the UHC CEO.

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      Fair I’m not really on any other forums anymore and I haven’t heard anything about this CEO death until just now

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        Fascinating. Are you in the US?

        I could not have avoided knowing about it. Even if I were to stay off the internet completely, it has been a major conversation topic in real life with friends and family. My work has BCBS health insurance coverage so when they were dropping coverage for anesthesia, all casual conversations at work with colleagues were about it too. I couldn’t have avoided it if I actively tried.

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    Can you think of anything that happened in the past month or so, perhaps involving US politics, that might have a tendency to radicalize people?

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    First shots in defense of the working class have been fired in the class war and most of us are surprised it took this long.

    As someone who’s father was killed by health insurance companies, the assassination of the UHC CEO brings out some really passionate bloodthirsty emotions in me. And I’m just one person….

    The assassin is my hero. Too bad if it hurts your sensibilities. Fuck him, fuck his family, no sympathy. I hope there are many copycats, there are many deserving targets.

    Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable. They have it coming.

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      Sorry to hear about your father. There’s maybe nothing more horrific in Western society than the way we fund the lavish lifestyles of mass murderers like Brian Thompson.

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        And I have pearl clutchers whining about how my support for violence is wrong.

        It’s self defense. The justice system doesn’t work against the rich so vigilantism it is.

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          It is wrong but I understand how you feel and I may feel the same if I was in your situation

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            No, it’s not wrong. They’re committing social murder and living lavish lives off it no less. Fuck bootlickers defending them with iTs WrOnG so is denying and delaying healthcare you fucks.

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              Denying and delaying health care is wrong. And while I think that murder shouldn’t be a desired solution to the problem as it is also wrong, at this point we have to accept that we’ve reached systematic self-defense.

              Something needs to change, and there are currently no motivating factors encouraging those with the power to make change. I don’t want the answer to be violence, but, genuinely, what other options do we have at this point? The courts, the Democratic process, the police and the economy all work together to protect the massive wealth of the few, and we live in a world run by that wealth. I don’t want to hurt anyone, but more than that, I don’t want anyone to be hurt. When the few in power choose to hurt the many without, tolerance for the gaps in power, wealth, and quality of life give way.

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                Yeah, in summary, no one wants violence but we’ve been on the receiving end of it for decades and we’ve grown impatient with doing things the right way in terms of fighting back. It’s not like we haven’t tried every other way of doing things short of a mass general strike. And the people are too desperate and divided for such a coordinated action. So violence it is. I can’t believe it took this long.

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    Lemmy started as tankie safe-haven, and those memes are all over, not just on lemmy.
    So I’d say, no.

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    16 days ago

    what is the opposite of “radical”, in your opinion, and was lemmy like that before “lately”?

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    Just yesterday I read a post about a woman being stalked by a supposed Nazi. At least 5 comments were quite literally ‘buy a gun and shoot him’, those had by far the most upvotes. When I said I hope theyre joking, I got downvoted and told you dont joke around when it comes to Nazis.

    So yeah, maybe Lemmy is becoming kind of radical.

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      Tbf, “self defense,” while technically being “violence,” is the only time violence is actually acceptable. She should buy a gun if she’s being stalked by anyone, but of course just buying one isn’t enough. Also needed is practice to learn how to shoot (preferably with an instructor if you can afford it, but you can learn most of that stuff from the right sources online actually like Jerry Miculek’s videos on it, if that’s your only option), carry permit if your state needs it, and learning the laws regarding use of force in your area. Also buy/carry OC spray if it’s legal (for instance it isn’t legal in NYC) in case he ends up being a threat, but not a deadly threat.

      Practicing nonviolence is a worthy pursuit and I’m also a proponent of it, but to go so far as to forego self defense in the name of pacifism is just foolish in my personal opinion. The advice isn’t just “shoot him next time you see him,” (that’s called murder lol), it’s “just in case he tries to kill you, be prepared with an Uno reverse card.”

    • Carrolade@lemmy.world
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      It’s useful to remember that Americans are a minority on the English-speaking internet. There’s only 330 million of us, while the world has an estimated 1.5 billion English speakers. Probably much more if we include people that just know some of the language.

      English is the global trade language, it’s frequently taken in school as a second language all over the world. If you learn some English, the amount of activities available to you dramatically increases.