Flatpak will no longer feature in the default install of Ubuntu's 8 official flavors, with devs agreeing to only support deb and snap software OOTB.

In a surprise move, Ubuntu developers have agreed to stop shipping Flatpak, preinstalled Flatpak apps, and any plugins needed to install Flatpak apps through a GUI software tool in the default package set across all eight of Ubuntu’s official flavors, as of the upcoming Ubuntu 23.04 release.

Anders Rytter Hansen
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@winnie flatpak runs much better than snap. im off ubuntu.

Júlio Gardona
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@winnie snap is not so mature as flatpaks yet. Dont know if its really a nice descision.

@winnie@lemmy.ml
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No, it’s not nice decision. It’s more political decision, to force Ubuntu’s own solution instead of alternative.

(I’m wondering if you would be notified for reply in mastodon?)

Anders Rytter Hansen
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@winnie @jcbritobr thats usually the case for mastodon when someone replies to your post.

Ephera
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by making it clearer about what an “Ubuntu experience” is.

The user experience will be worse, because they can’t use Flatpaks without jumping through extra hoops.

So, I guess, a “Ubuntu experience” is a bad experience. Not going to argue with that.

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Ubuntu is the stepping stone from Mac/Windows to Linux. Like the tutorial level. It’s also one of the most “corporate” Linux OS vendors outside of RedHat. Of course it’s shitty lol.

Helix 🧬
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Of course it’s shitty lol.

It shouldn’t be, though.

@wiki_me@lemmy.ml
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Flavor leads (apparently) agree

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Ubuntu asking its flavors to stop using something because it doesn’t is a head scratcher. Flavors regularly use things Ubuntu doesn’t, things you could argue are more intrinsic to an “Ubuntu experience”, like installers, login managers, icon themes etc. Why single out Flatpak?

IMO Canonical wants to make snap like google play, where people sell stuff and they take a 20-30 percent commission

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The most popular non-Canonical derivatives, Linux Mint and POP OS, have both totally rejected and vocally criticize Canonical’s bullshit, Snap or otherwise. This isn’t going to make the fall in line, this is going to make them finally get serious about ditching Ununtu and switching directly to the upstream Debian base.

Paranoid Factoid
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Flatpak was a problem. This is a good move.

@federico3@lemmy.ml
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Flatpak, snap and docker are the problem.

@winnie@lemmy.ml
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@federico3@lemmy.ml, @ParanoidFactoid@beehaw.org

You misunderstand problem, that Flatpak is solving. Yeah, it’s not ideal way to distribute OSS software, if it already exists in distro’s repositories. But many distros has small repository with outdated software. But FP is great to run proprietary software, as it is able to confine it into sandbox. And untrusted code won’t be able to access your home dir!

Some benefits can be for OSS software too, as some security bugs can be unintentionally introduced, or perhaps someone would intentionally introduce malicious code to codebase, and it would bypass code review. But mostly for Browsers, which might have remote code execution bugs.

@federico3@lemmy.ml
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No, you are confusing flatpak with sandboxing. Sandboxing is a good thing. You don’t need flatpak to implement sandboxing. Additionally, good sandboxing has to be configured by trusted 3rd parties, like package maintainers, not by upstream developers, because the latter creates a conflict of interest.

Helix 🧬
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What solution would you use instead of Flatpak for sandboxing and reducing the workload of maintainers providing packages to many distributions at the same time?

I’d rather have a maintainer spend time on actually maintaining software instead of packaging it. They can package as AppImage, tarball and Flatpak and I’m happy. You don’t have to use Flatpak, you know? Linux is about choice. I have never used any software which was available exclusively as Flatpak.

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You are confusing package maintainers with upstream developers. They are not the same people, and this is by design in most distros, so that maintainers provide a second pairs of eyes, provide security fixes and sometimes remove trackers and similar “features”.

Helix 🧬
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No, I know what a software maintainer is. In many cases, the developers writing the software also provide builds or at least build scripts. So they’re also packaging it.

You’re obviously correct that the people maintaining packages in distributions don’t have to be, and often are not, the same people who maintain the packaging scripts in upstream repositories.

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I understand that sand-boxing can be achieved by other means, and flatpak is using kernel facilities. But this is actually way to make it mainstream, and ease applications packaging. Similar thing to what happens on mobile platforms, like Android and UWP(bruh). So this is actually progress to better and safer desktop. Not perfect yet.

Most flatpaks don’t require access to root or home fs, so host files are shielded. Only way to access fs is using file access dialogs and Drag’n’Drop(which is broken currntly)

good sandboxing has to be configured by trusted 3rd parties, like package maintainers, not by upstream developers, because the latter creates a conflict of interest.

Unfortunately this is true. But you can check defined permissions before installing app. And user would be notified it application after update requires more permissions.

But I guess flathub maintainers won’t check/review packages, so not ideal.

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@AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
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And Snap isn’t? If you think Flatpak is bad how exactly is locking you into an objectively worse universal package manager the solution?

Helix 🧬
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yeah, Snap is magnitudes worse than Flatpak.

dreamLogic
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Can you expand on this. I’m actually curious.

Helix 🧬
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It needs a daemon (lots of wasted resources).

You have to fiddle around in config files to allow access to files on the system instead of using something like Flatseal.

It basically only works with a store which is kind of proprietary.

Own repositories are hard to set up.

The packaging for software maintainers is harder than Flatpak’s.

krolden
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Oh? What’s the problem?

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@rysiek@szmer.info
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Now do the same with snaps.

@Tiuku@sopuli.xyz
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Probably the whole point is just to clear the field for their snapstore

@rysiek@szmer.info
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Yeah, I know. Still, we can make it clear what we think about that. 😉

@winnie@lemmy.ml
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Lol. Won’t happen :D :D :D

@rysiek@szmer.info
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😞

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