I think there is. I would say the connection is not that electron didn’t exist before, but that now that ram prices are high, an increase in the number of electron apps becomes a problem because of the ram usage. Not that the usage wasn’t a problem before, but that more people are using even more electron apps now than ever, hence their “industry standard” comment.

Electron apps are on Linux too

In terms of performance yeah. Though not every old device keeps working. You’re still vulnerable to driver support for newer kernels. My old Thinkpad no longer functions properly because the Nvidia drivers are not compatible with newer kernels. I can either have an unsafe machine that runs fine or an up-to-date machine that can barely open a web browser.

… Now got the idea of doing lemmy through Emacs.

There’s probably a mode for that.

… ah, there’s one… https://codeberg.org/martianh/lem.el

Looking pretty good right now. ;D

That explains alot. I have both PyCharm and RustRover open as I steal convert stuff from a project I found. Anywho I was typing in discord and I was typing faster than it rendered and I thought that was strange

still have the patch they sent for people who published packages. I made a theme no one but me used but still! Pre microsoft github was cool

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@ZILtoid1991

Historically I’d say Emacs plugin system predates atom and sublime, and was certainly as impressive in its flexibility.

It has become my favorite editor, even though I don’t need or want the AI stuff. They do something that I do quite appreciate, that I wish other apps (looking at you, Firefox) would do:

In the AI section of the settings, the first thing is a toggle that turns off all AI features.

They also developed their own Rust UI library and open-sourced it.

Didn’t Sublime Text come before Atom?

If you have Spotify Premium, try a third party client. Even GUI clients like Spotify-qt are memory light [though not at feature parity] whilst terminal clients like ncspot, spotify-player take 1/10th the memory. The latter even supports Spotify connect.

Correction, Winamp still does this today while using a fraction of the resources.

Though if you’re on Windows I’d recommend Xmplay instead, it plays basically everything.

I’m on Linux and I use VLC.

don’t worry, this will all be solved now with incompetent vibe-coders, just give it a while

or you will look back to this with a nostalgic tear in the eye. one of these.

I use discord.com/app for exactly this reason. Its footprint is lower and the experience is almost exactly the same. And I can block things I don’t like using ublock/other extensions, like animated reactions and those crazy new premium video profiles with explosions and confetti etc

I run those thing in the browser, where they belong.

If you have premium, there’s probably a better native client.

For Spotify it sort of makes sense though, right? It buffers a few songs ahead of time so using any free RAM seems valid

Really? I have it running right now with 0% CPU usage and around 100MB of memory. Something’s wrong with your setup.

If there’s any upside to the entire situation, it’s that perhaps, maybe, developers will again start paying more attention to optimization instead of just throwing more powerful hardware at it.

Amen.

Long time irked that so many developers fail with the mathematics of the situation.

If hardware multiplies its resources 1000x, that does not mean you can make your program use 1000x resources, along with thousands of other developers failing at that mathematics too, making bloat radically outpace Moore’s Law.

If hardware multiplies its resources 1000x, that should mean that developers continue to keep their software tight, lean, and fast, and that should mean users have 1000x more resources available to do more with.

*Dreamer*

I think pretty much every dev understands the issue but they are limited in what they can do about it. Quitting a job because they won’t let you optimize is noble but unrealistic for the vast majority of devs.

I would love for optimizations to start being prioritized. More specifically, I would love to see vendors place limits on memory use in apps. For example, Steam could reject any game over 50gb. I do not believe for a moment that any game we currently have needs more than 50gb except maybe an mmo with 20 years of content. Or Microsoft could reject apps that use more than X ram. They won’t ever do that but without an outright rejection, this won’t be fixed.

Best I can do is mandatory Lumen and Nanite. You can get almost-stable 60 fps on a 5090 with DLSS Performance and 3x frame gen, which should be optimized enough for anyone.

My game will sell for 80 bucks, 150 if you want the edition with all the preorder-exclusive content.

You don’t even need to go that far back. It blows my mind that the 360 and PS3 have 512mb of RAM. Halo 4, GTA 5, and The Last of Us did some impressive graphics work with 512mb.

I always care about how much memory I end up using.
Problem is, most places won’t pay for caring about that. Those that would, are doing so because they are using the product on their own systems instead of some customer’s systems.

Best I can do is vibe-coded performance optimizations

The upside to the situation is that electron has been a more successful cross platform development framework then literally anything that came before it, from Xamarin to Java. And it’s entirely based on open source software, and open web standards.

Kinda depressing what numbers are considered impressive these days.

I’m sorry my comment is not deep enough to be his irrelevant to the topic but I gotta ask: Do you know a text editor which is just notepad but remembers the last session when you close it? I just need a scratchpad, even notepad++ is too fancy for my needs but that’s what I was using on windows. Now I use kate but it feels like I’m killing a mosquito with a rocket launcher when a book cover would do.

until curl rewrites in electon and you don’t have enough ram to run it anymore

back in the day people would download more ram and put it on giant tape-based backup systems. Big companies started downloading massive amounts of high quality ram this way. This created a ram shortage, and companies like corsair are now using their massive reserves of downloaded ram and filling empty ram sticks with them and making lots of money. That’s why ram is so expensive today. Any ram you can download today is low quality ram, and the only high quality ram can be had on physical sticks, which were filled by the companies with ram reserves. 1969 was the peak of the ram harvesting, so you’ll probably get some really great ram if it came from that year.

But what if I want more RAM while I am waiting for my additional RAM to download?

My gripe with Kate is that whenever I open a file and get an LSP error it displays a pulsing warning notification in the lower left of the window. This might be okay except that I cannot read things if something is moving in my peripheral vision and there is also apparently no way to suppress this pulsing warning notification other than to disable the LSP features entirely. I want to use kwrite because at that point I might as well, but there is a long-standing bug in plasma that causes Kate to be defaulted to over kwrite for some file types despite my preferences!

I still prefer this to vscode, but I just need to vent a bit

i doo doo love it too.
does it have syntax support for Gcode yet? I do CnC (not the kinky kind) and I love to see shit in color. there’s only a few specialized editors that I have come across that do this reasonably well…

Lmao this is quite frankly, horseshit, upvoted by people who have never used an IDE.

VScode is lightweight, snappy, and fast to open. VSCodium gives you all of that without any of the Microsoft. And even runs in a web browser.

It’s not lightweight in terms of memory but it’s definitely not slower than jetbrains. I use both frequently, but prefer vs code because it feels much snappier to use.

Did you ever use Atom?