Can you give an example? I know that some people have a hard time with the strong smells, but I honestly have never heard it made fun of in any demeaning way. Maybe at worst a character has a bad time on a toilet due to the Indian food being so spicy, but I can’t think of how it would be made fun of. Seems well loved here in the States in my experience.
Can you give an example?
I thought you meant for Indian food being praised worldwide at first…
Most people I know that enjoy Indian food switched to Thai prerty quickly. They might still get Indian occasionally, but Thai food does everything better.
Most Indian dishes that are popular in other countries, aren’t even Indian. At most they were invented in other countries and portrayed as authentic. So I’m not even sure that counts.
Kind of like how General Tsao’s chicken is an American dish
Such an odd way to hear people talk about food.
I’d never consider food to be “switchable”, let alone think another culture does it “better”. Like there’s so much diversity between Indian/Thai, on a dish by dish basis no country is better.
I mean, I can’t think of another type of curry that’s popular in America…
Like sure, if you’re in a huge city there might be one or two other options.
I’d never consider food to be “switchable”, let alone think another culture does it “better”.
I’m honestly at a loss how someone wouldn’t be able to understand that…
Not sure I understand why you think a Thai restaurant would be making Indian food or vice versa.
Obviously they’re not making the same dishes, but that’s like insisting no one can prefer clam chowder to tomato soup because it’s not the same dish
I think the point is they are very different cuisines, not interchangeable. They both just happen to be spicier than the American palate is used to.
I don’t choose food based on country of origin but what I fancy to eat. Sometimes that’s Indian foods sometimes thai, sometimes vietnamese etc.
I live in Australia where there is not a great selection of Indian food (despite a relatively high Indian population) compared to the UK where I also lived. Even so, there are different styles of Indian food with different dishes available just in my suburb. It’s nothing like Thai food, which also has a large variety. Both Indian and Thai restaurants have a few dishes that are ‘classic’ and available at most mainstream restaurants. Like, it would be odd to not have Pad Thai available, or in an Indian, butter chicken.
Sometimes I’ll want a pad Thai. Sometimes a butter chicken. The pad Thai is not better than the butter chicken. A green curry is not better than a jalfrezi. They are different flavour profiles.
I would say there is more crossover between dishes from Vietnam, Thailand malaysia and China, with varying levels of spice and flavour but very similar dishes available and common.
Again, you might prefer a Vietnamese sweet and sour chicken, but that doesn’t mean Cantonese or Hong Kong style is better or worse.
I mean…
Yeah, if I compared a pizza to a bowl of ice cream they’d be pretty different…
But curry is pretty much the only popular Indian food worldwide, everything else was invented in those other countries, it’s not really from India. Or like butter chicken was invented by a foreigner who moved to India.
If a dish is invented in a foreign country to appeal to the taste of foreigners…
It’s really hard to attribute it to the country of origin, or the country of invention. It’s literally Taco Bell. Often it takes the country it’s portrayed as from for a long ass time to even hear about it.
Like, I forget which one but maybe it’s chicken Alfredo? Some dish that is sold in Italian restaurants in other countries for so long, and tourists wouldn’t stop asking for it in Italy, that now it’s actually in Italian restaurants just to keep tourists happy
But back to curry, most people I know like curry, but prefer Thai to Indian.
Which is all I said, but apparently I did a very bad job of saying it if so many of you didn’t get it.
Lol, there are many different types of curry. That’s like saying noodles. It encompasses Italian, Thai, Japanese, Korean…
Yes, food doesn’t have boundaries and fusion food can be great. Your point about people graduating from Indian to Thai still doesn’t make sense in that context.
You can also take the opposite and look at fortune cookies. Invented by immigrants and now associated with Chinese food. Is that any different to a foreign person creating a recipe in China with Chinese ingredients, or a French person in the UK using Chinese cooking techniques.
Is tempura less Japanese because the batter originated with Portuguese traders?
Lol, there are many different types of curry
Seriously…
Why am I getting so many replies the last few days, where someone tells me what I’ve been saying, but they’re super smug about it and act like I didn’t know?
It’s super weird that it started happening all of a sudden, and all over lemmy
Indian curry is a gravy while Thai curry is a soup and the flavor profiles of their curries largely have no overlap.
They both are amazing.
Butter chicken was invented for the British (in India), but naan bread and the various dal dishes are authentic, and those are the first things I think of. Thai food is good too, but it’s different.
Yeah…
But that was invented by people from Pakistan who were just living in India…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_chicken
So its still a stretch to call it Indian food.
And naan is from Iran…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naan
Muslims brought it to India when they conquered it.
It’s like saying a Big Mac is authentic Native American food
Gee, how far back does it have to go to be authentic? Tomatoes weren’t in Italy until after Columbus brought them (of course after 1300), and didn’t catch on until well after the later date mentioned of 1700, so there goes all of Italy’s most famous dishes.
Hamburgers are American food. Not Native American food, but American. Next you’re going to tell me baguettes are Middle Eastern food because grain was domesticated there, or that camel meat is Native American food because they evolved in America before crossing the land bridge in pre-human times.
Mate, naan wasn’t invented in India…
It just wasn’t.
It’s Iranian food.
The only reason naan is in India, is one of the many people who conquered that area brought it there.
You can say it’s popular there, but it’s still not Indian food. Just a dish that’s popular in India.
And I have zero idea what the tomatoes rant was about…
Italians got a new ingredient and incorporated it into existing dishes or made completely new ones. It’s not like someone shiped spaghetti sauce to Italy and Italians just decided they should claim they invented it like you’re doing with naan.
Or that someone from another country moved there and showed everyone how to make it like Butter Chicken.
They’re just not comparable examples…
Yeah, tandoori naan is apparently popular across neighboring countries too. I’d say India can still claim some co-ownership, just like Europeans and their various loaf breads, but I guess that’s a matter of definition, so sure, it’s not exclusively Indian.
The dal dishes are Indian, though. Curries in general are Indian - that one goes all the way back to Harrapa IIRC. Since you seem intent on keeping score, that’s 2 to 1.
A tandor is just a type of oven champ…
It makes a difference for some stuff, but not naan.
Curries in general are Indian
Yes… Which is what I was talking about Thai doing it better…
Why are you talking about scores?
Is you just now understanding my first comment a point for me or you?
Honestly, if we’re keeping score I think we should both get a point for that. I legitimately had given up on trying and wasn’t going to reply again, but then I saw you got it!
According to your source
Naan as known today originates from Mesopotamia, ancient Egypt.
The word Naan originates from Iran.
Anyway you might as well try to make the case that any Indian dish that contains tomatoes, potatoes, chillies, squash, and much else isn’t really Indian because they didn’t exist there until a few hundred years ago.
I think after a cuisine or manner of cooking has been used in a region for almost a thousand years we are free to say it is authentic to that region, even though it was introduced. That you would deny Indians that, while accepting that Thai cuisine only started using chilli peppers in the last 300 years, opens a broader discussion about your personal understanding of culture and ethnicity.
That you would deny Indians that, while accepting that Thai cuisine only started using chilli peppers in the last 300 years, opens a broader discussion about your personal understanding of culture and ethnicity.
Not really…
Because one is an ingredient, and one is a a cooked item that someone mentioned as a food that was invented in India.
Those seem like two very different types of things.
But I don’t know why you want for chili peppers instead of just curry.
Curry was invented in India, but me and most people I know think Thai curry is better. Which is literally what I said in the beginning…
What is even going on in this thread?
Why do so many people that know nothing about this care so much?
Is it just because India is the topic?
No one made mention of anything being ‘invented’ anywhere until you, just now. I think I’d like to quote from one of history’s true greatest food scholars when I say, “What is even going on in this thread?”
I’m outta here.
No one made mention of anything being ‘invented’ anywhere until you
That’s what it is…
When OP said “Indian food” you took it as any food that’s sold in India, regardless of where it originated
So like, if there’s a taco bell, then tacos are Indian.
If there’s spaghetti, then spaghetti is Indian.
I’d think that would also mean all those people “worldwide” aren’t eating Indian food either then. They’re eating the food of whatever country theyre in. Do you think Uber Eats has spaceships? Is that what ufos really are?
I’m outta here.
Good night, thanks for sticking around long enough I could start to understand what you were talking about. That shit was a trip.
invented by people from Pakistan who were just living in India
Pakistan was part of India until 1947. These guys ended up on the Pakistan side of the partition, and then returned to India as refugees.
I’m not sure that it’s fair to say that they weren’t Indian.
That’s always how ethnic food works though. It always starts with the original base food then gets modified by the local culture to fit their tastes and available ingredients. Chinese is the same. American Chinese food isn’t the same as Indian Chinese food which isn’t the same as French Chinese food. American Thai food isn’t 100% authentic either, it’s just different than Indian food because it’s not based on Indian food.
American Chinese food isn’t the same as Indian Chinese food which isn’t the same as French Chinese food.
Sooooo…
If it’s all different, then it’s not the same.
And if it’s not the same, it’s not a single thing “praised worldwide”.
It’s impressive how long people keep commenting on this thread, but still super weird y’all keep agreeing with me but acting like you’re explaining what I said to me.
I’ve not heard these jokes. I love my Indian food. Taco Bell jokes are 10x more prevalent. What are your sources for Indian food hate?
As a Mexican, I don’t take Taco Bell jokes to be offensive. Or even Mexican food jokes to be offensive, for that matter. I mean, i know my people’s food will sometimes make me shit my pants, but fuck it’s delicious. But back to the point, Taco Bell is far from being ethnically offensive, because it is far from being representative of Mexican food.
Taco Bell is far from being ethnically offensive, because it is far from being representative of Mexican food.
You’re right, Taco Bell is way better.
(just kidding pls no hate)
laughs in Mexican
Jajaja
Everyone knows it’s a shitty photocopy of Tex-Mex. We eat it anyway because it’s greasy, cheap food with a strong but not offensive flavour of some kind.
Cumin, paprika, and a touch of Cayenne, oh and some MSG
And then they combine a few stock ingredients together with it in one of many ways. Their marketing doesn’t even bother to claim it’s anything special, it’s just like “here’s a new, even more convoluted way to combine the exact same shit! DONG!!”.
It’s still hits the spot, though, and to cut them some slack my bean crunchwrap is mostly vegetables, which is more than you could say for pizza or a burger and fries.
Oh definitely. Makes it stupidly easy to make at home. Cheaper and faster too according to some YouTube cook vlogger. I abhore his cross contamination controls, or rather the complete lack thereof, but it’s supposed to be a home cooking show, so whatever. Dude still manages to do some decent knife and fire work, so I’ll watch to get ideas.
There are some things you don’t joke about, taco bell actually being Mexican food is one of them. It might be a war crime to even joke it’s better than Mexican food.
Yeah, the joke isn’t just that Mexican food gave them the shits, it’s that we still eat knowing that is the case because its so fucking good.
Do Mexicans even know how to be offended, or is it a foreign concept completely? You guys like Speedy Gonzales.
I think a very interesting part of Mexican culture is to learn how to not take ourselves too seriously. I had to learn to deal with being made fun of for the stupidest things. It was always “el que se enoja, pierde (he who gets mad, loses).” So you had to learn how to take it and dish it back. And the idea was to keep it as a battle of wits, without becoming irate and physical. I have to admit, I lost more times than I’d like to own up…
That’s neat (the cultural part, sorry you got teased so much). I guess America creates enough butthurt for the whole continent, amiright? :P
Someone’s gotta balance the scales
You guys like Speedy Gonzales.
They (a good amount of Mexican immigrants at the time) like Speedy because it was pretty much the only remotely positive representation of Mexicans in American television back then…
What’s weirder is they also thought his cousin slowpoke was funny. Even tho Slowpoke was a common stereotype of Mexicans, having him on the same show as Speedy made it less bad, because a lazy relative was something everyone of all cultures can relate with.
If they showed all of Speedy’s family as the same as Slowpoke it would have been more problematic.
But especially back then, minorities were pretty pumped to get any positive representation
And let’s face it, SG is a straight up badass. I love that dude.
Without getting too deep into it, I think the simplest explanation is that speedy Gonzalez was just funny and entertaining. I don’t think many people at the time stopped to think too much about it being representative of our culture or even a stereotype. Looking back, sure, it is a stereotype, but one that even by then was so outdated that no one thought twice about it perhaps being offensive.
I don’t think you realize the character is 70 years old… In 1953 name any other positive depiction on American TV. Hell, let’s split the difference. What was the best one as recent as 1988?
And Speedy wasn’t the stereotype, Slowpoke was.
Did you start talking about him halfway thru?
And this isn’t just like, my opinion man.
More than a few people have asked over the last 70 years, there’s been surveys and I think even a legit sociological study. It’s not a random question that no one’s ever though of before.
The answer is pretty much always the same, except maybe very recently because reparations has improved a lot just in the last decade.
lol ok. Im sure a bunch of white people got offended on behalf of us.
Yeah…
That’s literally why Speedy was “canceled” and need an international movement by Hispanic people for him to come back
I literally just said that
Taco Bell was started by a white guy named Mr. Bell. He had a hot dog stand that wasn’t doing so well, and talked a Mexican restaurant that always had a line out the door into teaching him how to make tacos. He moved the stand across town and made so much money that he started his own store.
Carl’s Jr, and In N Out have similar origin stories.
I’m American and I can’t think of a comedy show that makes fun of Indian food. Can you name one of them so I can check it out?
I’d say most medium to large sized cities in the US have Indian restaurants, so it’s not so unusual.
Big bang theory.
Rag “you’re talking about a subcontinent that hasn’t had a solid bowl movement…”
Is that a comedy show?
Technically yes
Enough of your wild theories, we are trying to answer this question need in reality
Where Sheldon tells an Indian woman how to cook curry ? Ok.
Friends did, Big Bang Theory does all the time, but yeah pretty much every yank comedy contains some negativity towards Indian food. I don’t watch much comedy, but it seems to be a meme in their shows.
Indian food is very popular in the US and I have never heard anybody rag on it ever. Don’t know what kind of media you must be consuming.
Do they? I rarely see jokes about it and if I do see jokes they are spicy diarrhea related which I will admit is odd because Americanized Indian food is not spicy at all.
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen jokes about Indian food, but if you’re right I would guess it’s for the same reasons Taco Bell gets the same jokes - it’s still spicy by “mayonnaise is spicy” standards and (at least my orders) are usually bean heavy and that’s a lot of fiber by average American diet standards. The joke is really on us, not the Indian food.
exactly the spicey diarrhea jokes, as well as direct comparisons to vomit. American Dad and Family Guy writers spring to mind.
That’s the kind of jokes those shows make; cheap shots and poop jokes.
So 2 cartoons that are by the same people. So basically a single source.
Indian food is probably given less shit in the states than most other foods. Mainly just the smell it leaves permeating through everything.
British food is tasteless trash. Mexican food makes you shit your pants. Chinese food is eating cats and dogs. Thai will burn your butthole to death. German food is angry and has sauerkraut. Canada just has syrup on everything. Japan is fish they won’t cook. Irish is all potatoes and sheep belly. Indian is stinky and smells forever.
Americans deep fry everything.We’re an equal opportunity country. We’ll talk shit on everyone.
The German food stereotype is definitely that it’s all sausage.
The spice jokes happen in any nation that culturally lacks a pepper based heat as a common seasoning, towards any food with said spice. Southern states, who share food inspiration with mexico, do not have these jokes. They eat the hottest nonsense sauces, theyre used to the effect.
It’s also a joke because if you don’t often have spicy food you are going to get the shits when you do have it.
Right, but specifically that joke cannot be made successfully in regions where pepper based spice is common cuisine. Because those people dont have that reaction.
And a large portion of the US makes that spice a common part of normal meals, thanks to proximity to mexico, or international ports.
Basically, this is only funny to people in very isolated communities and the central northern states. Both coasts and the south have plenty of spicy influence.
When you say southern states, do you mean southwestern? Because I’ve lived in the southeast, and the food is not spicy.
I’m an exceptional nut job from the Midwest, myself. I’m immune to spicy shits and the Mexicans I know won’t eat my hot sauces and think I’m crazy. I’ve seen people on the internet eat hotter stuff than me and enjoy it, but I’ve never met someone in real life that does.
As near as I can figure I just like spicy flavors and I’m not as sensitive to capsaicin as normal people are, because it doesn’t cause me pain like it seems to do to anyone else. Southern Thai food tastes pretty good after I add a splash of mad dog 357 gold edition to it.
You got the bird gene, lucky bastard
Half bird, at least.
It comes with downsides too, though. If I cook for other people, I have to make it bland and add my hotness afterwards. That one took a while to figure out because as soon as I could taste any spiciness, everyone else would moan and complain.
Then I can’t just buy some $5 sauce from a grocery store if I want hot sauce. I have to order stuff that’s generally north of $20 a bottle. Also, a lot of grocery stores don’t keep habaneros year round.
Americanized Indian food is not spicy at all
Disagree. This is entirely dependent on the particular restaurant. None of them put Scoville ratings on things, so “hot” can mean “barely mild” at one restaurant and “this will absolutely wreck your colon” at another. This has been my experience, at least.
Agreed, seems like a weird comment. It’s easy to get incredibly mild Indian food here but plenty of places go up to inferno hot too if you want it.
Casual xenophobia/racism. Much like the whole MSG thing here.
Do they?
It gets the same jokes as Mexican food usually here. Really, some people’s guts just can’t handle any amount of spice, and poo jokes are always a hit.
Do they? I don’t watch much TV and nobody I know makes fun of Indian food, it’s awesome.
It’s not just Indian food. A number of mostly older Americans like to make fun of any spicy “foreign” foods that are more adventurous than the local Taco Bell. They do it because their tummies can’t handle anything that’s not bland to the point of being tastless. These are the same people who think salt and pepper are exotic spices. For the record I am American and I love Indian food
Who made you the expert on old people and their tummies?
I did. I decide those kinda things.
Don’t ask who tasked me with this responsibility
A bunch of cranky old relatives who do things like order hibachi chicken at the best Thai restaurant in town, or insist that their steak be cooked until it is flavorless shoe leather
Its not that they arent used to flavored food. You have a built up tolerance to a mildly toxic chemical such that it doesnt cause you intestinal inflammation anymore.
I love heat as much as the next guy, but lets be clear. You dont taste with your butthole, and its a toxin that doesnt discriminate between tongue and tookus.
Capsaicin is not a toxin. It’s also sensed by your pain receptors, not your taste buds.
It is literally a toxin, which is part of why it binds to your pain receptors and not your taste buds.
Which is also why it reacts with your entire digestive system, not just your mouth. Because it is a mammal targeting poison that evolved to deter unwanted predation. Its supposed to make you sick, so you dont eat the pepper and grind its seeds with your teeth.
Its just a toxin that is only deadly in insanely massive doses, that humans are lucky enough to be able to build tolerance for.
Capsaicin is not the first toxin humans ingest for fun. It will not be the last. But while lots of toxins are fun to eat, you shouldnt forget that it is very much a toxin, which is why some people cannot stomach them. Not everyone can stomach eating poisons easily, and you can have too much of them if youre not careful.
E: to clarify, “you dont taste with your butthole” means while capsaicin is a fun flavor boosting chemical when paired with food, you do not get the additional flavor when that chemical passes through your south mouth and shares its little gift regardless.
I appreciate your elaborating.
I was going to say more until I realized that you and I are using different definitions of ‘toxin’. There is more than one definition and yours is not the one that I was approaching the subject from. To me, a toxin is something that causes disease. But yes, you’re right, a plant is considered toxic for different reasons.
What toxin causes disease in a way that capsaicin doesnt at a high enough dose? The only difference between capsaicin and any other toxin is the pathway of activity and dosage. Enough cap will definitely kill you, and it has a well documented list of capsaicin poisoning symptoms.
I haven’t seen too many shows make fun of Indian food, but to be fair my taste in TV often isn’t very mainstream and doesn’t tend to include a lot of comedy, so I may not be the right one to answer this.
When I do see it, usually I see them joking about the smell, and I can kind of get that. Don’t get me wrong, I love Indian food, I love the flavors and smells and all that goes with it. But all of those wonderful spices can create a powerful smell, it can kind of cling to clothing and such, if you live in an apartment it’s very likely you’ll smell when your neighbors are cooking Indian food, etc. and I can get how that can be annoying or unpleasant for some people. Honestly, if I was constantly smelling Indian food wafting into my apartment through a shared vent or something, I’d probably get sick of it too.
There’s also the fact that a lot of Americans just have a very bland palate, and all of the spices, not to mention heat, can be very overwhelming to people who aren’t accustomed to it. Personally when I see these jokes, and again, my experience may not be typical, it tends to be more at the expense of the American having boring taste in food than actually making fun of Indian food itself.
And since I mentioned that people may not be accustomed to it, let’s not forget that America is a big, diverse country, and not every part of America has a big Indian population, which means a lot of the country doesn’t necessarily have a lot of exposure to indian food. I do happen to live in an area with a lot of Indian families, but you only need to drive maybe about an hour away for your options to dry up pretty quickly. I have friends who genuinely do not have any Indian restaurants anywhere near them, and their grocery options are sometimes kind of limited which may get in the way of making it at home if they wanted to (and not everyone is a great cook or willing to risk messing up dinner with unfamiliar recipes) And that much spice and flavor when you’re not used to it can be a bit off-putting. I’m a fairly adventurous eater, but I didn’t grow up eating Indian food (my mom is one of those kinds of people who thinks a McChicken is too spicy,) and I know the first time I had Indian I wasn’t quite sure what to make of it, I didn’t dislike it, but I had to have it a couple times before I really came to appreciate it.
Personally, in my circles the people who don’t like Indian tend to be the odd ones out that get made fun of, but again I’m not necessarily representative of America in general, that’s just been my own experience. I even know some people who love indian food but can’t/shouldn’t eat it due to all of the spices and such not sitting well with their stomachs (and there may be a discussion to be had about many American’s bland, super-processed diets having negative effects on their gut microbiomes possibly making it harder for their systems to handle certain cuisines, but that’s well outside of my depth to really go into, I’m a foodie, not a nutritionist, so take my speculation with a heaping helping of some coarse finishing salt)
let’s not forget that America is a big, diverse country
We just did a 5 week trip in the US which was LA, drive to Vegas, fly to NYC, then drive 5000k to the middle of Texas, and man… I keep hearing about all this diversity but that joint is the same all over. Having some mountains in the background instead of a desert, and having a majority RAM 2500s instead of majority Teslas is not the “diversity” I’d been led to believe existed. It’s all just chain stores, tipping, and bad coffee anywhere you go.
Most places in the US developed in a similarly shitty way thanks to the logic of American capitalism. That doesn’t necessarily mean there isn’t ethnic and cultural diversity.
If you say so! Place was the same from coast to coast from our outsiders perspective.
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Yeah I’d like to see some examples. Everyone I know loves Indian food. Hope you’re not some kind of troll. Give me that curry, man!
Aww I sure hope you aren’t basing your opinion off of one of the most purposefully offensive shows out there haha. Indian food is known for its potential heat and the corresponding affects… and more often than not the joke is about stupid americans who think they’re chads who go for the multiple star rating and pay the price. Peter from Family Guy is beloved because of his stupid decisions and we laugh at the consequences!
Also, Indian food is not the only example of this… Thai Food is my particular masochistic joy =) Give me that pain! It tastes so good!
Thai food is so much spicier than Indian food. I’ve yet to encounter the Indian food that was just too spicy for me to eat at all, but Thai food…
A skit making fun of an American stereotype…
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It’s funny because Tikka masala isn’t Indian, but a British dish and it isn’t even spicy.
odd, never heard of comedy making fun of foreign food.
I personally enjoy a fair bit of Indian food, it’s quite varied.
What is the punchline you see in American media about Indian food?
The stereotype of Indian cuisine is that it sometimes has really strong flavor, sometimes a strong smell to match. Those are not bad things.
I don’t have any overall negative associations with Indian food. There are certainly dishes that don’t appeal to me, but if anyone wanted to go to an Indian restaurant for dinner, I would say “yes, please”.
Edit: I see some comments about “spicy diarrhea” jokes. I see those as a function of people not acclimated to spicy food, not that the spicy food itself is bad. I’m impressed by people who can eat full spicy level Indian food. I would be on a toilet for a day if I ate fully spicy level; that’s my problem, not the fault of Indian cuisine overall.
No amount of acclimation will stop an ulcer from reacting badly to spicy food. There are plenty of people who love spicy hot food but physically can’t eat it, unfortunately.
bland shows catering to bland tastes, maybe?
