For example, the guy in the vid thinks china is state capitalism

  • @gun@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    2
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    They are correct about China being state capitalism, they admit as much. But China also says they have socialism with Chinese characteristics. It can be both. Every society has a base and a superstructure.

    Edit: It would be nice of the four people who downvoted me to actually explain why they disagree, because I don’t know. Show yourselves cowards.

  • NFT screenshotter
    link
    fedilink
    12 years ago

    It’s in a long term transition. The end goal is communism, but as it is china is in a capitalist global economy which makes any transition to communism at best unsustainable and at worst straight up impossible. Over the last half century china has opened itself up for the most powerful countries in the world to transfer their industry to them, and in the process has created a relationship that makes attacking china much harder than previous communist states like the soviet union. Unfortunately that means that the workers’ situation was pretty rough for a long time but they have been improving that too recently, it it likely wouldn’t have been much better under a fully capitalist country either.

    • @atomicshrimp@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      1
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Do any of the socialist countries (vietnam, cuba, china, etc) have any particularly interesting interactions since they not capitalist?

  • @PP44@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    02 years ago

    Socialist is such a polysemous word that you could be defending that China is socialist, and me the opposite, while aggreing on the facts…

    • @PP44@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      12 years ago

      If you define socialism as the step after communism once you destroyed the state, it clearly isn’t ! But I admit this is not the only definition people give to socialism.

      • ghost_laptop
        link
        fedilink
        -12 years ago

        As someone else pointed out, socialism is the step before communism where you still have class society, therefore, I would say China is socialist, because the means of production are in the hand of the proletariat but you haven’t eradicated bourgeoisie class completely.

    • poVoq
      link
      fedilink
      12 years ago

      Capitalism is about ownership of the means of production. Land is only a minor and usually non-relevant part of this. Your question would be correct for feudalism.

      • @jucheguevara@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        02 years ago

        land is a primary factor of production. the producers basically rent from the state which owns all land. And even still, who owns and controls key sectors of the economy? who controls the towering heights? is it the capitalist class? or the Party? lol

        • krolden
          link
          fedilink
          02 years ago

          What’s the difference between the capitalist/owning class and the state at that point?

          • ghost_laptop
            link
            fedilink
            -1
            edit-2
            2 years ago

            The state in the form of the Communist Party of China represents the proletariat and acts in their favour, the bourgeoisie acts in their own favour and against the lower classes.