She went away after I told her about the phonebrands when the discussion around a private phone was going on in that grapheneos thread. No idea what triggered it, but it was sure as hell not me.
Edit: yep my guess was right, deleted yesterday
Hmm maybe some PM harassment? Dunno, but I actually see a PM system as a net negative, even though personally I never received (or did) any harassment through it.
I think pm is a good feature for when two people want to have a chat, but right now it misses the report system, so yeah.
I think PM should be considered as a neutral feature that doesn’t harm communities on itself.
Sometimes the behabiour of the communities is the problem rather than the tools.
I disagree. Sure it has some benefits and is not all bad, but there seems to be very few use cases where you really need a PM feature compared to the possible abuse that can be done through it. I think an optional profile field to add a chat handle on Matrix or XMPP is sufficient for people to have a way to contact them directly.
Maybe PMs should be moderator only? Or at least the getting PMs from non-moderators could be opt-in?
i respect your disagreement, having that said, my middle ground would be to have the feature as an optional one by default, so people who wants to have that kind of interaction would be able to.
I never even knew they were not a male, I never care about who is what gender and talk to people neutrally and casually.
I mean I am a male and got death threats and trolling but then again I am prominent in the community across Reddit, Telegram, Matrix et al and have quite a lot of enemies. No need to shoot the messenger here, its the people that are bad.
They were an awesome person.
Her account no longer seems to exist… that’s probably what you already meant. I don’t know :/
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this account was deleted?
So what happens to a sublemmy when an admin cancels the account?
Nothing I think. It just stays there and can be still used. Just that one of the site-admins needs to appoint a new one as no one else can do it then.
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I think the question was more in general about what happens when there in no mod.
Nothing happens. The minetest community doesn’t have mod, for example.
Pretty sad, she seems to be gone?!
And it seems that her posts and comments were deleted along with her account :(
So in Lemmy all your contributions will be removed if you delete your account? I think it harms the platform. why not follow a similar model to reddit?
why not follow a similar model to reddit?
For privacy reasons. Actually, a lot of privacy conscious people hate how Reddit handles it, because it’s actually extremely difficult to delete all of your data even if you tried (the only display I think 1000 of the most recent items, and any content pushed off that queue is hidden from your user page permanently, even if later content is deleted, so you have to use the search box and search engines to find them, but even then it’s not guaranteed you’ll get everything). You also have to make your choice whether to go through the content deletion process (which typically involves running a third party script while logged into your account) before deleting your account, because that action is irreversible and there is pretty much no way to retroactively delete your data afterward.
IMO, with Lemmy (and Reddit), because you’re pretty much expected to not put in any personal information, if you don’t want to use the account anymore but still want your content on here, you can just not use the account, with the option of permanently deleting everything later.
I say there can be an option, deep nested, for the user to explicitly allow their comments to remain behind on account deletion. I think it is a feature worth implementing. It is what keeps even 10 year old reddit threads useful.
Purging your data is already the default here, so giving users extra choice is superior by all ways.
before deleting your account, because that action is irreversible and there is pretty much no way to retroactively delete your data afterward.
You can give users a time period to change their mind, after which their prefered option will apply to their content, deleting all of it, or keeping the content anonymously.
Except something might come up that causes you to want to permanently delete your stuff years down the line. For example, if you’re getting stalked or doxxed because the content you thought were anonymous still contained enough information to piece together stuff about you. It happens and is a problem.
I’m honestly against user content with no way for the user to delete it in general.
In case of getting doxxed or stalked, user can contact the admin or moderators and ask for the removal of personally identifiable information.
it’s hard to verify the person’s identity in that case
I think it’s fairly easy to see if the information in a few comments were enabling stalking or doxing. But again consider that such a happening would be extremely rare and might never happen.
It might harm the platform, but is better for the user.
I understand that users might want to remove any trace of their activities, but I think comments and posts being disassociated from their identity (similar to reddit, at least on the surface level) would give almost the same benefits to the user, while not deleting all of their contributions.
But my main problem with the current system is that all the posts get removed as well, and in this case her posts were popular and had a lot of comments, so it’s not like we’re giving users the ability to delete their own content, but also the comments written by others, which I think is unfair. I mean people took their time and gave their opinions on which phone and OS is more privacy friendly and other subjects (like a collabrative documentary about the fediverse), it’s not a good thing to delete their comments like this.
that being said I think the main loss here is that we lost one of the most active users :(
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I think when you are engaging in a conversation on a public forum it’s more important to keep the conversation readable in the future. I’m not sure I consider comments I post to be “my” data once I’ve shared it with everyone else. I remain the author, but I kiss control of them goodbye once they’re published for others to see.
Yes, but the same time if someone intentionally removes an account (as opposed to just abandoning it) then there is a clear intent to want to delete the data and I think out of respect it is the right thing to remove them. Obviously there are many ways those posts live on in backups and archives, so this is really only a thing done out of respect for the decision of the user.
However I guess when deleting the account there could be a question to the user if they want their old posts to be preserved or not.
However I guess when deleting the account there could be a question to the user if they want their old posts to be preserved or not.
Good point, could you make an issue for that? You can try the account deletion yourself, there is a confirmation dialog so you cant do it by accident. We should also clarify the warning message, to specify which data gets deleted.
Edit: Maybe we should also wait a month or so before deleting the email address, so that the account can still be restored if you change your mind.
I approve of poVoq’s suggestion. Data purging is already s default practice, so why not give users a choice?
For someone like me, I practice OPSEC to avoid deanonymisation, and in case I ever left this place (not anytime soon lol) or came back under a different alias, my content is definitely helpful to many people.
Ok done: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/299
Cool down of deleted accounts might also be better for federation, at least I somehow remember that being the reason why accounts in Hubzilla only get fully removed after 4 weeks.
I dont think there is any problem with federation in that regard. But its worth noting that user federation is not federated yet on Lemmy, so you can still view that user profile and their posts/comments on other instances.
would you also consider giving users the third option of disassociating comments and posts from their identity? I imagine some people might want their contributions to the community to remain available (for example on support and question subs) in an anonymous manner.
And what is your opinion on users being able to delete the comments of other users by deleting the post? Don’t you think it’s unfair to those who have taken the time to answer a question or participate in a discussion?
Good point, I added that to the issue which povoq opened.
Thanks!
would you also consider giving users the third option of disassociating comments and posts from their identity? I imagine some people might want their contributions to the community to remain available (for example on support and question subs) in an anonymous manner.
Except what if you want to delete the data later? You wouldn’t be able to if it’s truly anonymized because you wouldn’t be able to prove it was you. I can support an option to hide the name of your content from your account, kind of a “soft delete”, but IMO in general, if an account is permanently deleted, all the data should go to for privacy sake.
good point, I think giving users some time to change their mind and then making the decision permanent would be a good solution.
I can support an option to hide the name of your content from your account, kind of a “soft delete”
Agree. a soft delete would be cool, with an option of deleting it later.
but IMO in general, if an account is permanently deleted, all the data should go to for privacy sake.
I think giving users three options to choose from is better, so that everyone can make their own informed decisions, according to their threat model. Some information (like the answer to a technical problem) doesn’t harm privacy that much, and keeping it anonymously is a net positive in my opinion.
But as I said, my main problem is the ability to delete the comments of others by deleting the post. I don’t think a user should have the right to remove comments written by others.
