https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/16tqihd/settings_updateschanges_to_ad_personalization/
Reddit just decided it was a good idea to REMOVE the option to disable ad personalisation. Good job u/spez. We know what you’re doing.
Time for a new influx. Everyone still on reddit needs to advertise lemmy.
And not join-lemmy.org, that’s confusing. Just pick one of the larger servers like lemm.ee or fedia.io and tell people to browse it and click “Sign Up” if they like it.
I’d recommend a smaller community to help spread the load. I originally signed up on .world but they were having some growing pains (And a disgruntled idiot ddosing them) so I moved to .ca which helped tremendously.
I really disagree. For learning lemmy for average people, big instance is best.
There is a point where people who stick around are likely to make a new “real” account on a different smaller server, after they know what they want to browse.
Basically big instances should be like training wheels.
Yeah tbh this is how I did it and I consider myself tEcH sAvVy - still started with .world because I didn’t know where else to go.
You need to know the special password for .ca
Is it “sorry”?
„Eh“
Dot see eh?
I’m Canadian anyway, so I have it memorized.
Hello Canadian, I’m maple syrup!
We may be related, I’m 40% maple.
I see! I’m actually 33% polar bear and 66% maple, we may be not so distant cousins!
I went to iusearchlinux.fyi and came back to .world about a week ago. It seems to be doing very well now.
Going to do exactly that soon. Replace all comments and posts.
maybe start posting links from lemmy like what happened with digg (i think? wasn’t there for it)
Neat, so they are monetising your activities on the plattform. Isn’t that great?
Corporate does corporate things.
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For-profit company exploits userbase for profit. More at 11:00.
I’m surprised you’re surprised that others are surprised… because no one is surprised about this.
They’ve always been doing it, they’re just gonna stop hiding it now.
This really doesn’t sound legal.
I hope spez has good GDPR lawyers!
I was going to ask as well. Doesn’t it like infringe on a law madd by California or the EU or some shit?
Oh, okay. I had no idea. I was like “How far do I have to scroll to find out what reddit did this time?”
Wouldn’t affect me anyway, because I use an ad blocker.
It still means they’re selling your info to advertisers
I think this is the removal of the opt out of selling my data to advertisers?
Yup ads and posts on reddit are becoming even more indistinguishable, the “organic community” is just a selling point for marketing because you can embed yourself in it, basically just exploiting their users. The metrics to gauge ad performance is based on things that make the site shitty as well. Reddit, at least the big subs, haven’t been organic in this way for a long time, it’s basically a simulation of an organic online community at this point.
Why are these people still there, do they just stick around on reddit to complain about it?
Because other people are there
Network effects are real
Hating Reddit is the usual Reddit routine, the one you may be rewarded for with Reddit’s updoots.
I think the average person is not willing to take 5 minutes to figure out how Kbin or Lemmy works.
Kbin, at least, for the end user is just as simple as reddit.
Before I left Reddit, I searched for alternatives and saw that people recommended Lemmy or Kbin. But I didn’t know what those things were. I assumed they were just Reddit clones hosted by someone else. I didn’t know that I could create an account on Kbin and interact with other posts in the Fediverse. I didn’t even know what the Fediverse was. So I was stuck with this decision of “do I try Lemmy or Kbin first?”
When I decided to try Lemmy, the first thing you need to do is sign up on an instance. People recommended beehaw.org, but that required filling out an application to join. That seems weird, since I never had to apply to read Reddit. I decided to try another instance (sh.itjust.works) but was worried that I was missing out on what people had recommended about other instances. Maybe I chose the wrong one? Maybe I should make an account on Lemmy.world instead?
It took me a little while to grasp the concept of federation and realize that it made no difference as an end user which instance I chose. I stuck with it, as did everyone reading this, but I think it’s fair to say that the average person has similar barriers to entry. We’ve overcome them, but many, many people will not.
The app situation is getting much much better. The website UI is inferior to old reddit or the apps. I know some servers support the old reddit UI but it’s not discoverable. Stuff like expanding images needs to be easier to do instead of clicking a semi-hidden 10px square each picture.
Sync and Boost are great, though I’m still not happy with the iOS apps (I like Avalon and Mlem, but I don’t live either of them, whereas the Android apps feel fantastic).
Boost is lovely and polished and you can see that tons of work has gone into it.
Tell you what though: while I was waiting for Boost, damned if the Voyager (fka wefwef) PWA came out of nowhere with (I think) some of the nicest UX of any of the contenders, plus an insane release schedule because they can just push changes whenever. Voyager is honestly what has kept me here. (…he says, posting from Boost)
you joined early on, you had to work at understanding the fediverse. now there are plenty of places that explain everything.
True, the concept of the fediverse is probably what confuses people, it’s never explained clearly. I hope it’s growth helps spread information about it, how it works and why you want it.
They should come to Lemmy to complain about Reddit, like the rest of us.
reddit has ads?
Reddit is ads.
Yea, ublock always blocks them on old Reddit. So this technically won’t affect me.
I’m sure old.reddit is on its way out in the near future.
I think fediverse people are wildly overestimating how much 99% of Reddit users care about this. The mod team on r/futurology (I’m one of them) set up a fediverse site just over a month ago (here you go - https://futurology.today/ ) It’s been modestly successful so far, but the vast majority of subscribers seem to be coming from elsewhere in the fediverse, not migrants from Reddit.
This is despite the fact we’ve permanently stickied a post to the top of the sub. r/futurology has over 19 million subscribers, and yet the fediverse is only attracting a tiny trickle of them. I doubt most people on Reddit even know what the word fediverse means.
For what it’s worth, I was on Reddit for over a decade and I think I clicked on a stickied thread from any subreddit maybe twice in that whole time. I think a lot of people’s eyes just automatically skip over them. Plus, stickied threads disappear under some sorting options. Posting the occasional meme about it might be more effective.
IIRC stickies are also excluded from feed once they get this attribute.
But yeah, we don’t even understand what a barrier switching to fediverse sites is for regular joes, jemmas and jermas. Like, for many people the internet is suggested apps’ feed and, rarely, their browser’s default start page. They don’t choose anything, and why would they? And here we are, challenging them to do something on intent while they are pretty happy with what they have now.
and why would they? … they are pretty happy with what they have now.
Exactly. Only a very small number of people are motivated as the pioneers who’ve setup the fediverse now are. Again looking at this through the lens of r/futurology & our fediverse site. Why would a user also want to go to a second version of the exact same thing, but way, way smaller.
My hunch is that long-term the fediverse will prosper. Reddit still isn’t too bad even with these changes, at least not compared to what an absolute shithole Twitter has become.
But people who care about making it bigger, should be asking themselves hard questions - this meme comes across as very complacent & out of touch, if many people really believe the sentiments it’s expressing.
The meme doesn’t mention the Fediverse at all, it just calls out reddit for sucking (again).
I literally only switched because of Boost. Also, since Boost for Reddit still works for me, I continue to use that as well
People who would leave a site like Reddit because of a principled stance often mistakenly believe that the rest of society cares as deeply as they. Spoiler: society mostly doesn’t care; at least, not enough to go out of their way to change anything.
There are a lot of people that are actually too dumb to change platforms and assume apps like Reddit are the actual internet.
My father had a doctorate of engineering. He was a brilliant man. When I saw him search for Google and then follow the search link to google.com, to then search on their home page, I started to tell him he should search from the address / search field in his browser. He was instantly becoming confused and so I said, “nevermind,” because his way got him satisfactory results so why bother. Some people aren’t dumb at all. They just don’t care about the same things you or I mighty enough to learn them (beyond basics).
Even the head mod of piracy subreddit was ousted from the subreddit for attempting to migrate the sub to a lemmy instance, and the redditors that remain there actually cheered! It’s wild, you would expect pirates, who always at risk of having their subreddit shut down, would understand the need to migrate.
Those remaining were probably the leechers. Just there to find content but not give back to the community.
So, good riddance?
The quality of content in /r/piracy is shit nowadays when compared to !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
I’m technically from elsewhere in the fediverse, but I’m also a Reddit migrant (back in June). Thank you for setting the community up, I’ve missed it from Reddit days
It’s also likely that most visitors don’t go to the sub directly so the stickied post is easily missed
https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/15wi75l/rfuturology_is_now_in_the_fediverse_at/
It’s hard to know exactly how many people see them from the stats Reddit gives Mods. Reddit gives a figure within the post for views, which stands at about 160,000 for the post I mentioned. That includes the times people have been served the title in their feed & and the times people clicked on it (sadly Reddit doesn’t differentiate further).
The fediverse site has been going for 6 weeks and has about 620 subscribers. My guestimate from looking at addresses in comments is that maybe 100-150 are reddit migrants. So roughly speaking 1 in 1000 r/futurology people who saw something about our fediverse site were motivated to join.
A sobering thought for people who think the fediverse is about to crush reddit.
!newcommunities@lemmy.world and some others are also a good places to promote your communities.
Those sub numbers don’t include federated subscribers, from what I’ve read. And a lot of people seem to just browse All all the time and block communities they don’t want to see. Still doesn’t match any numbers in the millions, but things might be a bit more impactful than you think.
Yes, its hard to understand. On the other hand our results on cloudflare look way too good to be true. They say the fediverse site had 180K unique visitors in its first month and almost 3 million of what it calls “total requests”.
It’s hard to figure out what this means in terms of how many people on the fediverse are seeing the content, both from our site, and where its coming up in federated instances.
This is still the early adoption phase. You can’t expect all of the general populace to swap over. But it has been strong enough to start building the fedoverse into a real alternative. The “replacement” of reddit at large is far in the future.
Literally swap the word Fediverse in that pinned post for Lemmy and you’ll get more engagement with it. Because you’re right, even if the current reddit user has heard of lemmy and mastodon, they still most likely don’t know what the fediverse is, don’t understand the site linked to is a lemmy instance / reddit alternative. Subbed to !futurology@futurology.today btw, if the current activity there can be sustained I think it’ll shape up to be a nice community
I don’t even know what fediverse means
Just want to say that every time Reddit does something shitty like this, Lemmy will get a boost. And with Lemmy constantly getting better (both community and platform), I’m willing to bet these boosts come with smaller user drop offs every time.
Which is to say, keep up the good work Reddit!
At this point (and with Sync, as I used for reddit), Lemmy is indistinguishable from my reddit browsing experience. Except on Lemmy I don’t encounter constant hostility.
I don’t encounter constant hostility.
That sounds like something one of you people would say. 🖕/s
You can fuck right off with that attitude, mate.
/s
I’m not your mate, buddy
and my axe
I’m not your buddy, dude.
There are still few very niche/local communities here that I have seen, at least active ones. But that’s only because of the much smaller user base
There are a couple of communities I miss, like r/fountainpens and r/suzukisamurai. Im sure I could figure out how to create those communities, im not sure I’d be a good mod.
tbh there won’t be much to mod in niche communities. so don’t let that stop you.
You’re probably right, but I’d really hate to have to clean up a bunch of nazi shit from my nice family friendly Samurai circlejerk.
do you plan to post “nazi shit”?
Nope.
- I believe you would be
- you can always get better mods to help/take over in the future.
Be the change you want to to see in the world
i experience some hostility on lemmy, but i haven’t noticed any bots here cruising for karma.
I have gotten way more bans on lemmy so far, just for calling out tankies. Or simply enumerating the UN definition of genocide.
Lol lemmy has a Tankie problem but they’re being drowned out. They get mad because they can’t just own the libs I guess!
I’ve been lucky so far, but ever since leaving reddit I’ve been in an infinitely better mood. Sometimes reddit would bring out the worst in me as well, and I’d be short with people or needlessly confrontational. You could tell when I was in a shitty place mentally because my post history would shift from light-hearted and sentimental to easily annoyed with frequent cursing. Reddit’s algorithm really fine-tuned its way under my skin, and I found myself increasingly angry as the years went on. US political issues really got me going. I was never more irritable and mad at the world than I was over the past few years on reddit. Now all of that is just gone, and my Lemmy usage is about 20 minutes per day. I’m in a much better place.
I think the hostility is about the same tbh, only different is this place uses the term Tankies a lot more.
That’s because there are a lot more tankies
That and the impact. The amount of communism or total and complete anti capitalism without nuance or depth, right or wrong. Reddit was very left, but not like here!
Tankies aren’t communists anyway. They’re Russian trolls, CCP shills. Those are fascist dystopias. Just mention Ukraine being invaded and they go ballistic.
The quality of posts and comments overall isn’t where Reddit was. That comes with volume, though.
Also, I haven’t found a single niche community that does what Reddit did. For instance, if I’m into a specific show, Reddit was my go to place for discussions about a new episode. Lemmy does not have that for any show I watch.
Niche comes with volume too. And really, niche is what’s important, not the broad strokes (I’d argue the boons of Lemmy are broad strokes at least). Reddit is worse for a lot of reasons, but man oh man, how can you convince someone to come over when the value is in the volume? I’m still primarily on Reddit, actively contributing to the problem.
Startrek.website is alive and well
But I do see your point, from my local subreddit effectively nobody moved over, even my favorite mod who got backstabbed during the blackout stayed.
Well you might have to block the Linux spam but otherwise I agree.
The common reddit apps coming to lemmy also helps. People used to Boost, Sync, Infinity and others can finally browse lemmy on a known interface
What did they do this time?
You can no longer op-out for targeted advertising based on use habits (like if you visited canned sardines you could get ads about sardines on the canned sardines subreddit but not on cheatatmathhomework, now you could get ads about canned sardines in the math subreddit and about brilliant on the sardines one)
I wish I would get an ad for canned sardines, at least that’s something I’d consider buying.
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but also, with every influx it waters down the spirit of lemmy a tiny bit in exchange for more activity / content / perspectives. which generally is worth it so far, but even still i can already see some discussions on here getting worse, with shittier viewpoints i wish were quarantined in facebook
No it it also has the effect tof the people who dropped off probably won’t come back. Yah I tired it and it sucked. Lemmy blew it’s big chance. Yes it has grown but could have been bigger.
I don’t think it works that way. A free service like Lemmy can be tried multiple times. People aren’t just going to ignore something forever cause they tried it once and it sucked. People understand that software evolves over time.
You overestimate most people. “KDE is bad. Admittedly last time I tried it was 15 years ago” is a real quote that I read.
All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving
I saw one that said they would stay until Reddit charges a fee to use the site…like why are they staying??? JUST FUCKING LEAVE
One even said “there are no viable alternatives” when talking about Reddit, like excuse me what the fuck?
I’ll probably get hate, but the content just isn’t there. I tried using Lemmy as my main, but most of the communities I’d follow on Reddit just weren’t on here, and if they were, they would have a couple hundred of subscribers at most, and there would be 7 different versions of the same community on different instances with no way to measure quality at first glance. Lemmy thrives for geeky hobbies that surround the FOSS space that gave birth to it, so communities like Linux or Unixporn have a strong enough presence, but for pretty much anything else it’s just not there yet. Is this a negative feedback loop? Yes, but there isn’t much to be done about it until shit REALLY hits the fan
PD: As an added, Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times, even more so than Reddit already is. Like seriously at times 90% of the content on my feed is just shitting on Reddit plebs
Honestly that’s been a bit of a plus in the sense I’m spending much less time scrolling mindlessly on my phone. Of course I’d prefer that reduced time to be of a higher quality but the pros outweigh the cons for me
yeah that’s honestly what I found as well. once I discovered you can patch RIF to use your own personal api token, I’ve been continuing to use reddit. it’s such a subpar experience compared to what it used to be tho
I’m surprised they let you use your own API token. During the API apocalypse, Spez specifically said that was “not allowed.”
It’s usable for bots and such, I’ve seen reports of some users getting banned for using it in patched clients when detected
I was banned several times. Now i moderate a private subreddit and it’s fine.
New communities, you’ll just have to yell into the void for a while until people start to yell back.
Ehh, I’ll just wait and check back in a few months or so.
Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times
I always assumed that since both upvote and downvote counters are visible, it won’t be the case. But boy I was wrong. The political/news posts are always a constant shitshow reminiscent of T_D.
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