browsing through All has so much pro-fascist posts coming from lemmygrad that it drowns out all the other instances. I’m surprised they’re even federated by default but we should have an option to block instances from All if lemmy is deadset on federating with them just because they are fascists with a red and yellow flag…
(before the Tankies start posting about how they aren’t pro-fascism “Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)
Support / questions about Lemmy.
This comment section makes my phone lag lol
147 (now 148) comments on this crap. Why is it we can’t seem to get a liveley discussion like this but on a topic that isn’t some crybaby infighting?
Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swallowing whole.
I think so too, but the alternative would be to let their message stand. What do you suggest otherwise?
Ban their instance? :P
But seriously how about just dont take the bait
bahhhhhhhh fine I won’t comment here anymore
I support this feature. But Wikipedia is not an authority on what fascism is. The dictionary attempts to describe the usage of a word in this case as it relates to an objective phenomenon. Before we can attempt this description, an understanding of the objective phenomenon must be had. We can rely on definitions for understood phenomena like water, jogging, or birds. But what exactly fascism is is a hotly debated topic, not a well understood phenomenon that we hold absolute knowledge and certainty of. Even your dictionary source admits it is a characterization of fascism, not exactly a definition.
A conservative will reason discursively that Hitler was a leftist, because the Left can be defined as more government, so Fascism is far left. In the same way, that buzzfeed employee could argue their own view of what misogyny is. To them, when a man spreads their legs in public, this is the sexist act of manspreading.
What these people (and you) are doing is taking a word that has a strongly negative connotation, arguing for an expanded categorization of this word in an attempt to rub off that connotation on something else. But all this succeeds in doing is devaluing said word.
Fascism has a negative connotation because its consequence was the death of 60-100 million people. That has nothing to do with Bernie supporters wanting to give people free healthcare. The “more government” connection (what even does ‘more government’ mean?) has to be proven more than circumstantial. Likewise, sexism has a negative connotation because of rape, women in the past not having basic rights like the right to vote, etc. But a man letting his balls get some air has nothing to do with that, even if people find it a little rude.
They have algebraically replaced a world phenomenon with a term, much like a mathematician replaces a quantity with the letter ‘X’ on paper. Then they have discursively reasoned using the term, not the phenomenon. You can find the length of a square’s side from the root of the area. We have a square that is 4 cm2. So what is √4? Math tells us that it is ±2. So a square in real life can have a negative length? This is the lunacy that you will accept with analytical reasoning if you do not understand its premises.
So instead of lazily giving us a definition full of nebulous terms, why not prove to me that any similarities between modern Russia and the Fascist countries are more than circumstantial? What is the unity behind these particular examples? All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a “strong regimentation of society” so you’re just flat out wrong there.
What? Are you saying authoritarianism is not a real thing?
That is correct
Random link but seems to explain it well.
That is a psychology wiki article about authoritarian personality, not about authoritarianism.
What most people mean by authoritarianism is a form of government. You are an anarchist right? You would agree the state is just the way the ruling class asserts its position, and that all states have this monopoly of the legitimate use of violence. If that’s what a state is, how can one state have more of a monopoly than another? A monopoly is a monopoly. However you see it, the class in power rules absolutely. No state is more authoritarian or libertarian than any other.
you think china is fascist, opinion ignored
When did I say that?
sorry, must have been someone very similar
someone downvoted your post before there was even time to read it lol
Libs gonna lib
You are an even worse one than the others…
where did you come from?
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Im not calling communists fascists I’m saying the people supporting the Z army’s are supporting fascists. Just like id call christian friends who support their priest after theyve been caught raping children as supporting rapists.
I bet you support the antifascist azov battalion
I agree. It’s unnecessary and inflammatory to use a feature request to complain about a particular forum or group. It foreseeably led to a ton of derailment.
If they were requesting the admins to defederate, it would be inflammatory but at least relevant.
they even posted on lemmygrad to aggravate them! What is their game?
Oh, you little fed. You have to be a fed. No one is this intentionally ignorant
Sadly some people do this without getting good pay and a cool badge.
And people ask me why I’m cynical…
Even though I don’t particularly like or agree with the attitude or points of lemmygrad users, I still think there should be no blocking/defederation on instance level.
IMHO it’s a fundamental design flaw of lemmy, that the instance administrators have the ability to prevent their users from accessing content from certain other instances just because of their different (political/ideological) orientation. Being exposed to other opinions, even though you don’t like or agree with them, is very important. Yet this seems to become an increasingly rare phenomenon. Even if an instance doesn’t want to promote the posts of another, the users should still be able to decide on their own, which community to subscribe or block. I’d love to see more features for that.
From reading the comments in this or other threads, I can see that it wont take long until lemmy will go the same echo chambered and biased way reddit went and ultimately this will be its demise. Alienating everyone who questions the current development with “Just go somewhere else” or “Get lost and host your own instance” is certainly the best way to go for ensuring only the right people stay for the infinite circle jerk…
I think the instances should be fully connected as possible, but this isn’t a design flaw that admins can block instances. It is their resources going into hosting, so they should be able to decide how they want to run their own instances. Having the software prevent them from doing this would be developer overreach.
sounds like a great way to have lemmy overun with spam and fascist propaganda…
We get enough of that from you
Says the stalinist
I prefer “Marxist Leninist”. The Stalinist is more of a meme. And really? Stalin was pro-fascism? How do you people live past the age of 5 while being this incompetent at thinking.
This is called moderation… It’s basically the same thing as deleting individual comments that don’t fit the rules.
I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any moderation. But there’s a difference between deleting a post and preventing whole communities to be accessed because of a subjective sense of what is the correct viewpoint on [topic], be it political, ideological or else.
I could imagine a setting where other instances’ posts/communities aren’t shown on the All page, but could still be subscribed / viewed by the user if he requests it.
how should admins deal with malicious servers? Like some that post illegal stuff or whatever.
This is indeed a difficult problem. Especially as laws and their interpretation are highly dependent on the hosting location.
Hiding posts behind warnings or only showing them only on user request are on the top of my head.
That’s not a solution for illegal content.
See this related idea by @roko , where admins can block instances, but the user can unblock them for themself
Very interesting blog post! Thanks for sharing.
what does your name mean?
This would also describe America.
So unless you want to ban all liberals and supporters of America (which would mean you) you need to tighten your funtionally useless definition of fascism. You should start by reading an actual book and learning the history of fascism.
When you misuse the word fascism to describe things that are not fascism you mis-educate huge wide swathes of people on what fascism actually is. In doing so you HELP actual fascists rehabilitate their ideology. You are helping fascists by calling something that is not fascism, fascism.
no one on any instance is cheering on anything the US does especially not its occupation or invasion of any country…
I’m not cheering it on either. Some elements of the left are, some aren’t. That’s ok. I can understand some of our younger marxist-leninists getting caught up in it. The vast majority of MLs are quite critical and reflect a position closer to Cuba’s official statement on the matter.
What I critically support is what brings the fastest end to the bloodshed of the people. That right now is a swift victory because clearly the west wants Ukraine to sacrifice the entire population in a war that it can not win, for the interests of the US. I would much prefer for negotiations to happen immediately and for things to stop right now but that clearly is impossible as the political opposition to the war within Ukraine has been entirely suppressed by the far right, all anti-war parties have been banned, and all tv channels that do not push a pro-war position have been closed. The only narrative that exists is the drums of war, and this makes it completely impossible to negotiate an end to the war.
weird that you think ukraine should just accept “swift victory” by the fascist Z army but dont think cuba should just accept “swift victory” by the US or Palestine by Israel etc…
none of the countries should accept “swift victory” by those invading and trying to commit genocide against them. You should unequivocally stand against imperialism but you dont because right now the ones invading wave a flag you like.
Genocide? GENOCIDE? REALLY?!
Do not equate the infighting and bickering of nationalist anglos to that of actual invasion or genocide.
honestly what is with the Z symbol? The only symbol I devote any time to is this one:
That’s not what is happening and only an idiot or a person that genuinely wants to help real fascists would say this, which is what I suspect you actually are but I will humour the bullshit anyway for the sake of whatever audience might come across this.
When you misuse words like fascism and genocide you help the people who are REAL fascists and performing REAL genocides by muddying the meaning of these terms in the understanding of the wider public. You harm opposition to real genocides.
Misuse of the term genocide is also acknowledged to be a form of soft holocaust denial. Calling something a genocide that does not actually reflect the very real horror of what genocides really are is extremely harmful to the real sufferers of genocide.
Invading a country is not imperialism and this war was not started on imperialist grounds. Imperialism is an economic system, an elevated form of capitalism (the highest stage) in which finance-capital has evolved to such a point that it has seized control of the state and directs all of its actions. This war started due to longstanding security issues between nato and russia that could not (or would not) be resolved by either side coming to a head because Ukraine was the subject of a coup in 2014 that sparked a civil war that was ongoing for 8 years before Russia stepped in.
But this is all besides the point. I don’t give a fuck about the states involved. I care about the people. You are advocating for something that will kill many many tens or hundreds of thousands more people in order to defend a state. I already acknowledge that all of the states involved are bad, states are bad and states do bad things, that’s literally why I’m a communist and seek a world in which we can abolish states entirely.
I support whatever scenario brings about the lowest number of casualties to the people, whereas you support sacrificing the people to protect the state. You support this because it aligns with US interests. You genuinely do not give a fuck about the real human lives involved and the fact that you pretend to is quite frankly disgusting to me.
The views on lemmygrad are very much outside the general acceptable norms for the English speaking internet.
Even if you agree with their views, you must admit that it is very off putting for most people who come to Lemmy.ml.
I think the purpose of a default instance should be to showcase the software, not to showcase the current community (which is dominated by lemmygrad users right now)…
I think either:
Personally I have been using and promoting Lemmy less because I find the lemmygrad content off putting. I feel a similar way about this content as I did about place like r/thedonald in 2016.
Sorry, what? Why should that matter?
We target a specific niche. You’re entirely free to use an instance that better suits your views, and introduce other instances to your friends that better suit their views.
There is already no default instance. Lemmy.ml has a lot of users, but that’s it. We have been explicitly saying that it’s not the default instance for a while now.
why should we care what anglos like?
There should be no default instance. That just leads to people all collecting on a single instance.
There already is no default instance. lemmy.ml isn’t an instance that aims to be for everyone.
If you don’t like them federating with that particular instance you may want to look at other instances that better fit you.
The only thing that I think could be changed is the name of lemmy.ml. Its name and the fact that it is the biggest instance may lead to the false conclusion that it is in some way supposed to be the default instance. Maybe join-lemmy.org should be modified a bit to suggest a lot more random instances.
Maybe for the “All” there could be a sort type made available that favours posts coming from less active instances. That could make the smaller instances more popular (favouring decentralization), and reduce the by some excessive perceived noise that may come from some instances in the all tab.
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Yeah, I think I will move to beehaw
lmao we are on beehaw
I think lemmy should be the default because its where the developers are, and its users are pro-anarchist and pro-communist. but it should stop federating with lemmygrad because of the constant admiration for fascists (they dont support fascism in general but they do support fascists as long as they see them as “anti-west”)
That’s the thing, devs are not just “located” at lemmy.ml, devs run lemmy.ml; they do run it the way they want.
If you and I don’t agree with this administration style, rather than change devs for who they are as people, we’re better off to promote communities (hence making them default) which we want to be a part of AND still be grateful for the work devs do for us all.
how do you make them the default, when you don’t control it?
Never gonna happen
I say they’re the same ape in disguise
you’re back, interesting
Feds got new funds, guess war pays well
Yes please! I have nothing against Lemmygrad, but I also don’t want them to overwhelm everything else from my All feed. Please let us block entire instances, not just communities.
The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz or midwest.social. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
as If we aren’t on there from the beginning
I think the point is that this shouldn’t be necessary. Individual users should be able to filter out entire instances without having to jump to an entirely new account.
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Lmao, that’s the funniest thing i read all day.
Not to mention you can do it. Click on settings, there will be a tab “blockades”. Write what you want and voila you won’t have to rack your brain ever again with concepts that make your imperialist programmed brain too uncomfortable.
I would recommend getting back to reddit though.
honestly, this is a leftist space, not one with people who source wikipedia for political opinions
Fascism is (…) which all describe the usa, which has oppressed most of us all our lives long. Anyone who works against the usa works against Fascism.
And this is why no one should trust anything the usa says. Or their media. Or their vassals’ media.
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I want users to be able to block instances from all unless subscribed to.
Just go back to Reddit
Just go back to lemmygrad
Im a lemmy account bruv
I would imagine it would work similarly to how blocking a community does, except it blocks all the communities from that instance. I feel like it would be excessive to block all the users as well, but that could be an option too. You could split it: have an option to block all communities from an instance and a separate option to block all users from an instance.
At least for now, there are really just a small number of communities on lemmygrad that contain the most obnoxious material. I found that it worked to block: